5.12.2025 -- NLS -- Trump Targets Big Pharma Price Gouging

On this episode with Neal and Julie, the conversation dives into President Trump's remarks from the White House, where he addresses a broad range of topics, with a heavy focus on prescription drug prices. Trump outlines his plan to drastically lower drug costs in the U.S. through an executive order, arguing that Americans have unfairly shouldered the global burden of pharmaceutical research and development. He highlights how drugs like Ozempic cost up to ten times more in the U.S. compared to other countries and vows to tie American drug prices to the lowest international rates.

Neal and Julie discuss the implications of Trump's strategy, including the potential for pushback from pharmaceutical companies and concerns about maintaining innovation in drug development. They explore the challenges of patent lengths, government regulations, and how other countries manage to pay far less by leveraging price controls and even breaking patents.

The conversation shifts into the broader issues of the pharmaceutical industry's influence, including the role of advertising, the historical impact of the flawed food pyramid, and the slow process of bringing new drugs to market. They reflect on whether shorter patent times and reducing bureaucratic barriers could help without sacrificing safety.

Amidst it all, Neal and Julie touch on public skepticism towards both the pharmaceutical industry and government narratives, drawing connections to past diets like Atkins and larger health policy debates. The episode closes with reflections on whether Trump's aggressive stance could actually balance the scales and bring long-overdue fairness to American drug pricing.

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Good morning, East Idaho. It's 807 on Newstalk 1079. It's a Monday. If you'd like to reach us on the Stones Automotive Group, call and text line that numbers (208) 542-1079. And, Julie, we're going to join in progress. President Trump, he's still at the podium at the white House talking about a number of different things like, prescription drug prices, peace between Pakistan and India, his upcoming trip to the Middle East.

And we're going to jip it right here, a small fraction of what, for the same drug that what we pay many, many times more for and will no longer tolerate profiteering and price gouging from big pharma. But again, it was really the countries that forced big pharma to do things that frankly, I'm not sure they really felt comfortable doing, but they've gotten away with it.

These countries, European Union has been brutal, brutal. And the drug companies actually told me stories. It was just brutal how they forced them. And European Union suing all our companies, Apple and Google, meta. They're suing all our companies. They end up, they have judges that are, European Union centric and they get rewarded 15 billion, 17 billion, 20 billion.

And they use that to run their operation. It's not going to happen any longer that I can tell you. So what's been happening is we've been subsidizing other countries throughout the world, not just in Europe, throughout the world. European Union was the most difficult from what I understand. I mean, I'll tell you a story. A friend of mine was a, business man.

Very, very, very top guy. Most of you would have heard of him. A highly neurotic, brilliant businessman. Seriously overweight. And he takes the fat to fat shut drug. And he called me up, and he said, president, he calls me. He used to call me Donald. Now he calls me president. So that's nice. Respect. But he's a rough guy.

Smart guy, very successful, very rich. I wouldn't even know how we would know this, but because he's got comments that president. Could I ask you a question? What? I'm in London and I just paid for this damn fat drug I take. I said it's not working. He said. He said I just paid $88. And in New York I pay $1,300.

What the hell is going on? He said. So I checked, and it's the same bucks made in the same plant by the same company. It's the identical pill that I buy in New York. And here I'm paying $88 in London and New York. I'm paying $1,300 now. This is a great businessman, so. But he's not familiar with this crazy situation that we have.

But he was stunned. But it was just one of those stories. And I brought it up with the drug companies represented by somebody who's very, very smart, good person to. And we all get about it for about half hour. And then finally he just said, because they can't justify it, he just said, look, you got me, you got me.

I can no longer just they've been justifying this crap for years. They said, oh, it's research and development. I said, well, research and development, other countries should pay research and development to it's to their benefit. It was just one of those things. And the other countries would set a price and they'd meet the price and they'd say, if you don't meet the price, you can't sell it in our country.

I said, well, then you walk away and you know, they'll call you back and they'll sell it in the country, but now they'll have to do that. So for the first time in many years, we'll slash the cost of prescription drugs and we will bring fairness to America. Drug prices will come down by much more. Really, if you think 59, if you if you think of a drug that is sometimes ten times more expensive, it's much more than the 59%, you know, depends on the way you want to analyze it.

But in one way you can analyze it that way. But between 59 and 80 and I guess even 90%. So when I worked so hard in the first term and if I got prices down, I remember I was the only one to ever get prices down for a full year, but I get them down like 2%. And I thought it was like a big deal where we're getting them down 60, 70, 80, 90%.

But actually more than that, if you think about it in a way, mathematically. And, farmer has to say, we're sorry, but will not be able to do this any longer to these, to these countries that have been so tough. They've been very tough, nasty. It's trade. It's trade. And pharma is also very powerful. And the Democrats have protected pharma.

The Democrats the Democrats have protected pharma. These are the Democrats. And by the way, I just called the speaker of the House, and I just told the leader, our leader in the Senate, John Thune, the Mike Johnson, spoke to both of them. I said, when you score or you're going to have to score two things, you're going to have to number one, score that, hundreds of billions of dollars of tariff money is coming in.

But even bigger than that, you're going to have to score that year your cost for Medicaid and Medicare and just basically pharmaceuticals and drugs is going down at a level that nobody has ever seen before. It'll pay for the Golden Dome. I see the Golden Dome is there. See, that'll easily pay for the Golden Dome. And we'll have a lot of money left over.

We need the Golden Dome, by the way, in this world, although this world is a lot safer today than it was a week ago, and a lot safer than it was six months ago. We had people that had no clue what they were doing. So today, Americans spend 70% more for prescription drugs than we spent in the year 2000.

Think of that. Our country has the highest drug prices anywhere in the world by sometimes a factor of five, six, seven, eight times. It's not like this slightly higher that six, seven, eight times, or even cases of ten times higher, so that you go ten times more expensive for the same drug. That's big numbers. Even though the United States is home to only 4% of the world's population, and pharmaceutical companies make more than two thirds of their profits in America.

So think of that with 4% of the population, the pharmaceutical companies make most of their money, most of their profits from America. That's not a good thing. Now, I think, by the way, pharmaceutical. I have great respect for these companies and for the people that run them. I really do, and I think they did one of the greatest jobs in history for their company, convincing people for many years that this was a fair system.

It never nobody really understood why. But I figured it out. For years. Pharmaceutical and drug companies have said that research and development costs were what they are, and for no reason whatsoever, they had to be borne by America alone. Not anymore. They don't. This means American patients were effectively subsidizing socialist healthcare systems in Germany, in all parts of the European Union.

They were the toughest of all. They were nasty. And I see that. I see that with trade to the European Union is in many ways nastier than China. Okay. And, we've just started with them. Oh, they'll come down a lot. You watch, we have all the cards. They treated us very unfairly. They sell us 13 million cars.

We sell them none. They sell us their agricultural products. We sell them virtually none. They don't take our products. That gives us all the cards and very unfair. So they're going to have to pay more for health care, and we're going to have to pay less. That's all of this. And believe it or not, you know, because it's really the world we're talking about, not just the European Union, but because it's the world.

The numbers are, the numbers are for the health care company. Not as bad as you would think. They'll make the same. I think the health care companies should make, pretty much the same money. I really don't believe that they should be affected very much because, it's just a redistribution of wealth. It's a redistribution where it could be the same top line, but it's going to be distributed differently.

Europe's going to have to pay a little bit more. The rest of the world is going to have to pay a little bit more in America is going to pay a lot less, again, because we it's a much smaller population. And when you think of the whole world. So, basically what we're doing is equalizing. There's a new word that I came up with, which I think is probably the best word we're going to equalize.

We're we're all going to pay the same. We're going to pay what Europe is going to pay. We're going to pay. Now, there may be some countries in dire need, and I would be willing to sacrifice that, but, and help them. But it's called Most Favored nation. We are going to pay the lowest price there is in the world.

We will get whoever is paying the lowest price. That's the price that we're going to get. So remember that. So we're no longer paying ten times more than another country. Whoever is paying the lowest price, we will look at that price and we will say that's the price we're going to pay most favored nations. That's what it is.

One breast cancer drug costs Americans over $16,000 per bottle. But the same drug from the same factory manufactured by the same company is one sixth that price in Australia and one tenth that price in Sweden, one tenth for the identical product. A common asthma drug costs almost $500 here in America, but cost less than $40 in the United Kingdom.

So $40 in the United Kingdom, which is where this gentleman told me he paid a small amount for his his shot. But think of that. So $40 versus $500 here, that's not even better. Much worse. Examples in the weight loss drug Ozempic cost ten times more in the United States than in the rest of the developed world. Ten times more.

Why? Why? What did we do? Suckers. But we never had a president that had the courage to do this, and nobody knew the system like I do. I mean, I've gotten to know this system so well, and I don't think it's fair that it benefits Obamacare. Obamacare is a failure. It's not a good it's not a good health care.

It works. I made it work. I had an obligation to make it work. Or an obligation to let it die. I chose that we had to make it work. I had to make it as good as possible. And, I had a choice. I could have let it fail or make it as good as possible. As good as possible means it was still not very good.

But it was. It survived and we did the right thing. But this makes it just makes everything work. And I don't want to have a bad form of health care work because of the fact I was able to cut drug prices by 80 or 90%. So we're going to maybe come up with something. I think this gives the Republicans a chance to actually do a health care that's much better than Obamacare and for less money, which if you guys would work on that along with Congress.

But I do want to say that, Democrats could have done this a long time ago. They have fought like hell for the drug companies, and they knew they were doing the wrong thing. And it's going to be very hard. I was just telling, the leader in the speaker that it how it's going to be very hard for the Democrats to vote against the one big beautiful deal, the greatest tax cuts in history, greatest everything.

But now you have the big drug prices because that's going to be included. It makes that whole situation different from a scoring standpoint. I just told him I called him up about this. I said, I'm going to do something that's going to be very monumental, and you're going to be scoring. You better tell your people that this is going to score really well and then add add hundreds of billions of dollars in tariffs to your list also.

But as big as the tariffs are, this is something that really hits quickly. Five years ago I signed an executive order to confront this disaster, but only confronted in a minor way. It was a it was a good confrontation, but never to this extent. Took people a little while to understand a very complicated system. But Joe Biden, without any knowledge of what he was doing, terminated the policy and then pretended to negotiate under a new system.

And then, you take a look. All right. You've been listening to President Donald Trump from the white House talking about various different issues, whether it is the cost of prescription drugs, which he is vowing to lower with his executive order. He's about to embark on a big trip to the Middle East. And, he'll be talking about Middle East security.

I know one of the big posters they had up was promoting the Golden Dome that he wants to establish. For the the region and for the safety of our allies there and for our assets as well. And he's also talking about India and Pakistan. So sort of a potpourri of topics that the president's taken on. Yes. It's it's buffet season.

Yes. Yeah. You also left off the tariffs between China. And then he said the EU was nasty in comparison to China. So yeah he's all over the place this morning. All right. So we'll take a break and hit the reset button a little bit. We'll come back and continue on this Monday morning on Newstalk 1079 it's The Neil Larsen Show.

If you'd like to reach us via text (208) 542-1079. That's the Stones Automotive Group calling text line. All right, it's 826. We were going to gravitate away from this press conference, but RFK Jr is speaking. Now. Let's catch a little bit of his comments. The issue that people talked about, nobody wanted to do anything because it was radioactive. You know, you couldn't get it by Congress.

We now have a president who is a man of his word who has the courage. President Trump was taking money from the pharmaceutical industry, too. I think they gave you $100 million, but he can't be bought, unlike most of the politicians in this country. And he is standing here for the American people. I don't know what you know.

There was there's writers like Elizabeth Warren or Robert Reich who are saying that President Trump is on the side of the oligarchs. There has never been a president more willing to stand up to the oligarchs than President Donald Trump. And I'm very, very proud of you, Mr. President, for your courage. For I was a is I don't want to be crude.

Your intestinal fortitude, your stiff spine and your your willingness to stand up for the American people. We have 4.2% of the world's population. We, our country represents 75% of the of the revenues for pharmaceutical companies we spend in our country, $1,126 per capita on drugs. And Britain, they've spent about 240. They spend one fifth of what we do.

And this is true across Europe and this and the drug companies, Europeans, if you ask them, it made no sense with their saying America has to pay for this innovation or it's not going to happen. President Trump is saying to our European partners is, you've got to raise the amount that you're paying for those drugs and pay for your share at the innovation that the United States is no longer subsidizing, that if the Europeans raise their it, the price of their drugs by just 20%, that is $10 trillion that can be spent on innovation and the health of all people all across the globe is going to increase because we're going to have better products.

So, I, I'm, I'm just so grateful to be here today. I never thought that this would happen in my lifetime. I have a couple of kids who are Democrats, are big Bernie Sanders fans. And when I told them that this was going to happen, they had tears in their eyes as they thought, this is never going to happen in our lifetime.

And we finally have a president who's willing to stand up for the American people. Thank you. And Doctor Oz. All right, now, Doctor Oz taking the podium. Thank you, Secretary Kennedy. This is the most powerful executive order on pharmacy pricing and health care ever in the history of our nation. And it's only happening because we have a president with the fortitude, the guts to stand up to the withering criticism and lobbying that's going to occur.

As soon as folks hear about the executive order. So on behalf of the child in Philadelphia who's got an autoimmune disease with $1,000 a month drug, or the, older, woman in Los Angeles who's on a blood thinner who can't afford her co-pay. I want to thank President Trump. God bless you for having the guts to take on this industry.

Thank you, sir. Thank you very much. So let's talk about the details a little bit. And this is primarily about equalization. As President Trump said, it's about fairness. I think of NATO as a metaphor when President Trump said, you've got to pay a little more. So it makes sense for all of us. They came up and, the European countries contributed the same thing we believe will happen in this situation.

Most people who have thought about this process agreed that it is patently unfair to tolerate the numbers that Secretary Kennedy and President Trump have reflected to you on this chart. To my left is a list of the ten drugs that were negotiated in the IRA. Again, this is the the the bill, the law that regulate, a negotiation process.

This is the best price, that was able to be obtained by the Biden administration. And if you look at these numbers, they actually reflect how much on top of the most favored nation price was being paid by the United States. So the closest to me, Bob, you can point to the audience, the closest one 289%, the one that's closest to you.

That means that we are paying in America four times more than that drug costs in other countries. Again, 100% the baseline. It's 289% above that baseline. It goes all the way down to when we're paying 50% more than any other country. That's the range. As was pointed out by President Trump, half the time we're paying three times more than is paid in other countries.

It doesn't make any sense for the system. That stated, President Trump has over and over again indicated and Secretary Kennedy, reflected as well. We want innovation. We want our technology partners doing the best they can to make the best solutions for drugs that cures. Many people in America and around the world is possible by getting our allies to pay a bit more, as they should be, and they should have for many years been doing well, of course.

Correct. They problem has gotten out of hand. And by doing that in a thoughtful, effective way, we're going to be able to get the pharmaceutical industry whole. Those jobs will still be here, will still be productive, will still be curing cancer and a slew of other ailments that plague humanity. And America will still be the leader in this space, but we'll be paying the appropriate amount, the right sized amount for those tasks.

So over the next 30 days, the four of us up here, together with people standing in the back of this room or doing a lot of the heavy lifting, are going to be approaching pharmaceutical companies to talk specifically about what we want the most favored nation price to be based on the best data we have. We're looking forward to a thoughtful, in, interaction with these corporate leaders, many of whom we've spoken to and in quiet will agree the system is not right the way it is.

They're patriotic Americans. They want what's right. But the fact that in my lifetime, as Secretary Kennedy said, for the first time, we have a thoughtful and aggressive approach. Thanks to President Trump on taking on the special interests. I should give all Americans confidence that this is an administration that stands for fairness and should show the waters for those who believe they can push us away from our North Star, which is to take care of the American people.

Mr. president, God bless you. Thank you. All right, that's Doctor Oz. He is the Medicaid and Medicare administrator. And then at Stanford, as well as, health policy. And one thing that's really, really simple and economics is that when you have a persistent price difference for the same product between two countries, there's something deeply wrong. And what President Trump has done is a historic measure that should have been done a long time ago.

But we're going to do is make sure that those prices become much closer to equal, like like a competitive market you expect right now. What's happening is the American people are subsidizing in large, large fraction the research and development efforts for drug companies around the world by the higher prices that we pay with this new order, Europe will share the burden of that.

And in fact, if you may think of it as like as somehow it's like it's going after drug companies, actually, it's helping drug companies. Because what we're also going to do with this order, what President Trump has done with his order, is he's sent it to European, governments. Look, if you are taking advantage of the drug companies by forcing them to charge very, very low prices, we're going to defend American drug companies in Europe.

At the same time, we're standing up for the American consumer who's been paying far too high prices for far too long. I can go back decades to point to, congressional reports after a government report, after a government report of tremendously high drug prices, much higher than the rest of the world. And nothing has been done about it until this moment.

And I'm really, really proud, President Trump to that. You've done this and really proud to be included in this and looking forward to the work ahead. Thank you. All right. That's Jay Bhattacharya. He is the National Institutes of Health director. So Julie thoughts. They've got it covered. I think that there's probably going to be some push back on what Trump said.

He's like, I don't think the pharmaceutical companies will feel an ounce of pain from this. I doubt that, yeah, I'm but as I walk through that in my mind, let's say there is some pain felt by the pharmaceutical companies. Everyone is probably going to collectively cheer about that because they think they need to, but they can just cut their advertising budgets.

I mean, there are so much money spent on pharmaceutical ads. Just pull that back a little bit and you're going to be still making the same amount of profits you were making. Yeah. You know, my theory evolved on why we see so many pharmaceutical ads. Do you want to know what it is? Sure. It's very it's that I'm actually ashamed that it didn't dawn on me earlier.

Now, you see an ad for Munjal. All right. Whatever. Whatever the. You plug it in. Yeah. I can't go buy my own gyro. I have to go to a doctor. The doctor has to go. You're fat now. Out of shape. We need to put you on something. And he might prescribe my own gyro. And then I go when I get it and pay however much.

That's a weird group to market to. And so I thought, that's. It's weird advertising because you're spending billions of dollars to reach people who can't voluntarily go out and buy buy your product. So what's what's going on? And it, it was a light bulb about 3 to 6 months ago. They're doing it because they don't want these TV networks to give them critical coverage.

When the when the news networks, CNN, even Fox or ABC, they look at that, they look at their advertising revenue and they say, oh, we made $20 million from pharmaceutical ads, do not cover them negatively. Now, they don't say that. It's just known you don't do that. And you just don't bite the hand that's feeding you. Yes.

Yeah. They're buying not necessarily favorable coverage, but what they're buying is an absence of critical, independent negative coverage. Yes, that's my working theory. Yeah I think that that's a great theory. I think that that absolutely has something to do with it. It's also weird the the in bed together relationship, the doctors and pharmaceuticals have. Yeah. Hey I, I the common understanding is I've got a skin rash.

I'm just going to find a dermatologist and go, yeah, well, their thought processes. I didn't really care about my skin rash till we told you on 800 commercials in a three minute span. Yeah, that you needed to take care of your skin rash with this new pharmaceutical. Well, that's weird. Yeah, because we should just be going to the doctor when we have an ailment.

Not because we were encouraged to buy an ad. Yeah, that's. Yeah, that's a good point. That's. It's kind of bizarre. Yeah, yeah. It is. So, I got to say, I'm I'm I'm excited for this. We've already talked about the, the issue this morning where some people are pushing back, saying government shouldn't be involved in this, this much in what corporations choose to do and not do.

And normally I can side with that. And like I, I agree with that. However, when you get all sorts of regulatory favors, those rules get thrown out the window. And I think if you're if you're a pharmaceutical company and you went through the pandemic, the government for free promoted your product in some cases required the use of your product.

All of a sudden you got in bed with the government in a way that now I think gives Donald Trump absolutely the right to, to, to to do this. So I'm, all right. We've got, you know what we got? We've got to take a break because we're late. It's 839, but we do have calls on the line.

Stick with us. Short break. We'll come back. We'll take your calls when we return. On Newstalk 179. It's 844 on Newstalk 107 and Neil Larson along with Julie Mason. And we're going to jump right in. We have Jim from Idaho Falls joining us. Jim go ahead. How are you? Hi. I'm calling about the drug price issue and to reduce drug prices, the government the big the biggest thing they can do, the proper thing that they can do is to stop driving the cost up through the cost of FDA barriers.

The average price of development of a new drug is $2.3 billion. And so if you think about that, if you sell a drug for $1,000 for a month's prescription, it takes 2.3 million of those just to cover your R&D cost without any production cost. And without any profits. So, and the reason it's so high is because the FDA puts such high barriers on approval.

If they make it take years, takes 12 years on average to get a drug to market. Tremendous amounts of, studies and trials to run, comparing that to, say, underwriters Laboratories or other free market agencies that do approvals for things, that are responsive both to the consumer for safety, for good safety certification as well as, you know, being doing right for both sides, both the manufacturer and the consumer and not making it unduly expensive.

But if the government makes it so expensive to develop a new drug and then says that that they can't charge over such and such a price so that they end up losing money, then we won't have any new innovation. It's available. Drugs are available in other countries more cheaply because they're socialist countries that say, this is what we're willing to pay, take it or leave it, and if the drug companies say no, then some countries like China could just break patents, make it, and sell it to and for cheaper.

Okay, but why can't we go to the same drug companies and say this is what we're willing to pay? If other countries can do that, why can't we? Because they have to make their R&D cost back and some profit, and the only place they're able to do that is the American market. Now. It'll kill innovation. There won't be any more new ones.

Okay. So you're you're saying this is not going to work by President Trump then, right? Okay. The generic meds are cheaper in this country than other developed countries because they don't have the development process to worry about anymore. The money has been spent and paid. Okay. All right. I, I don't know if I view it is as simple as is you do I.

Because I, it is patently unfair that we pay multiples. The, the, the example that President Trump used about the, the probably ozempic or one of the, the drugs that are like that 88 bucks in the UK. And here we are paying how much he said 1200 or 1300, something like that. I do think it is cheaper than that now.

But yeah, yeah. But you've got to address cost of development. The you can't just make something for something to be cheaper while requiring the expenses of, of creating it to be higher than the cost you can sell it for. Yeah. Okay. Well, that's an interesting take. I appreciate it. I think there I think what he's saying has some legitimacy here, but I also don't think that the therefore is there's nothing that can be done.

And because I, if anything and I, I should look at this there, there used to be a drug importation allowance so that you could get on Amazon. And if you the UK was selling Ozempic for 88 bucks, you could buy it from the UK like you, you could legally import drugs from other countries where they're cheaper and buy it at their cost.

But I think there's been all sorts of maneuvers by the pharmaceutical companies to try and prevent that from happening. Yeah, I well, I, I believe when in one of our interviews with Senator Crapo, he mentioned that that went away. Yeah, I think because he's worked on this extensively trying to cut out that middleman. Yeah. In and Trump mentioned that in, in in his remarks that they want to get rid of the middle person because that is part of what's making this so expensive.

One of my questions for the caller would be, is it beneficial for patents to be shorter length in time, you know, forcing than generic, the generic version of the drug to the market much quicker? Yeah. So maybe figure out the average time that it takes to recover the cost of the drug. And then that's when the patent yeah, ends.

So that we can get those generic ones quicker. Yeah man. No good. Good point. Let's go to the next call Matt is on waiting. Go ahead. Matt, how are you? Hey. Good morning guys. Did you know that pharmaceutical commercials are pretty much illegal in every country except United States and New Zealand? I didn't know that. Yeah.

You know, and if you watch, you know, it drives me up the wall. I mean, you guys, we're talking about the pharmaceutical commercials. If you watch if you watch network news, you know, in the, in the evening, you'll see, you know, like the Guardians commercial. You got people, they'll turn around like they're in some, you know, cheesy Broadway musical and stuff.

It's ridiculous, actually. And I read a book I can't remember who was by who used to work for the pharmaceutical industry and just the racket involved and, the money and that medical have the pharmaceutical, you know, representatives going down, you know, to all the doctor's offices pushing all the, you know, just literally pushing all these new drugs and things, you know, and, yeah, it's the, it's actually it's pretty much illegal in most other countries to even show these commercials there.

It's ridiculous. And so Trump doing this today, it does it. I mean, I'm glad because I used to buy some pharmaceuticals out of Canada for work, but it's a fraction of the cost, you know, and it's, you know, and the discrepancy is you can't justify it. The discrepancy is so huge, it's really hard to justify. Yeah. Yeah. All right.

Well, thank you for the call. 208542 179 let's go to our next caller. Good morning. Hi. This is Mike from Chester. Hi, Mike. Hey, why should the United States be the one that has to pay the cost for the rest of the world for the development of these drugs? That that excuses? That's the kind of excuse and reasoning that got us in the trouble we're in today.

And Trump is just taking it back and say, no, no, you're going to pay part of the cost of those developments, not the United States alone. Yeah, yeah. And I, I think that's a fair thing to, to put forward. I, I mean, I get the point of China, but can't China do that anyway? Can't they go out and steal the intellectual property, redo the drugs themselves and sell them in those markets?

Well, all we've learned from you from USAID, I bet we're paying for other countries. That wouldn't surprise that. China is doing R&D, and we're paying them with money from organizations like USAID for them to do it. But they get the credit of doing the R&D. Yeah, that's that's probably true. That's probably true. It's well, we'll see. I mean, obviously, there's going to be an instant court action to try and create an injunction to this, I'm sure.

I bet you by this time on Friday, Thursday or Friday, Julie, some court will have an injunction on this executive order. Of course, all right. We'll be back. (208) 542-1079.

It's 857 on Newstalk 179. If you'd like to reach us on the Stones Automotive Group, Collin Text line that numbers (208) 542-1079. So, Julie, after I get, done with work this afternoon, I didn't get to my tomatoes over the weekend like I had wanted to. Just a lot going on. Headed out to town and country to get the tomatoes I actually rehabbed.

I have my buckets in my soil and my, the gravel in the bottom, and, just need to get the tomatoes and some, you know, fertilizer and, and compost stuff for it. And, I'll be good to go. It's going to be fun. It's the perfect time. It's middle of May. And, you know, any Idaho kind of that day of planting is right at the end of May when the holiday rolls around.

So you're right there. You don't want to wait until then. You want to go now? Yeah. That's when you can get all your seeds, all your garden needs, the prep for your soil, all of that. Get that all ready now so that when you do want to plant, you're not, you know, hurrying so fast. Because when you go now, you have plenty of time to ask questions.

There's much, there's like a vast variety, everything. So get down to town and country today, south of Idaho Falls on the Yellowstone Highway, across from the malting plant. And by the way, if you haven't done your four step lawn program, it is still not too late. You can throw down the, And then in about three weeks, it'll be time for step two.

And you're on schedule. Oh, my lawn is so green. I know mine too, especially with the rain over the weekend is great. All right. That's our first hour at 859. Hour two of the Neil hours and show coming up. And welcome back. It is 907 on Newstalk 179. It's a Monday. And if you'd like to reach us on the Stones Automotive Group call and text line, that number is (208) 542-1079.

Julie, before we begin the rest of the program here, I just want to say congratulations to the 2000 plus Idaho State University graduates. Over the weekend. They walked across, snagged their diploma, and they're on to bigger and better things. And it brought back, actually a lot of memories for me from like 23 years ago. You're old, I know I'm and I was, I was actually I wouldn't say I was long in the tooth, but I didn't get my degree when I was 22 or 20 3 or 4.

I, you know, I took my time. I started having kids and it took a while to get through school. But I remember walking across that stage inside then Holt Arena. Now it's the IQ dome and, and getting that that diploma and it's, it's a good feeling. It's it's a good day. So, congratulations to them and all other college graduates to this time of year, but, yeah, good for them.

So, Yeah. Also, Julie, here's an idea I wanted to ask you this question. I drive through library service so you can go online, you can reserve your books, and then you can, you know, get the latest book by Nicholas Sparks and a side of fries with it. No fries, no fries. Maybe a little bit of attitude.

You know what? I will tell you, though. Can I throw out an idea here? Sure. This may be a terrible idea. You tell me if it's a terrible idea. If I'm one of the drink places, I'm saying, hey, let's be mutually beneficial here. Let me have a little space in the library. Will mix the sodas up, and people could drive through.

They could get a soda while they're getting their books. Because if you're going to do a drive through anyway, why not provide something now? Space may not allow for it, but I you know, space was the first thing I thought of because that parking lot, it's been a wreck now for more than a year. Right. Because the water tower, because of the water tower, there's really it's hard to park at the library.

Yes. That's so space is an issue. But if they could resolve that, what would be the other issues? I can they would have to contract with them because it's taxpayer dollars. Yeah I mean yes. This. Yes. Yeah that's true. And I would not want the city making money competing with the soda shops. Right. So I, I feel like there should be have a different relationship.

Yeah. So but you know I know there seems to be a soda shop about every two blocks. So apparently there's a need. It's a thing like it's, it has. And you know what? It's also a trend that has lasted a few years now. Yeah. I mean, I remember when I first saw it, what, ten years ago maybe I thought, oh, that's kind of cool.

And it'll probably come and go in about two years or three years. No, it they just keep getting bigger and bigger. Yeah. Soda shops everywhere and car washes. We're just we don't have enough. There's a need for another one every six months. Why don't they put a show soda shop at the end of the car wash as you drive out, you get a soda?

Sure. That's to have sodas everywhere. Thank. Yeah, you could do that. That's what if you went in and got money at your ATM. And then there was also, a self-serve machine right there. You filled up your diet doctor Pepper? Yeah. And got your cash out of the ATM. Nobody needs the dumdum sitting on the counter. You just grab a soda on the way out.

Yeah, because that's all. I mean, the markup on soda is ridiculous. That's why there's so many soda shops. That's what I'm saying. That much money. And I don't mean that is as in a denigrate. I don't want people to take that the wrong way. I'm just saying is, from a business model standpoint, the the product cost is far lower than the consumer costs.

Yes. Why not? Why not? Would you grab a soda if you went to the bank? I don't go to the bank. And you don't drink soda. I don't even, probably eight months ago, I went to one bank, got a cashier's check and deposit deposited into my retirement account at another bank. That's the last time I've been to.

Okay, so that's. Yeah, that's not up to the bank. Yeah, that's not on your list. And your list. All right. Okay, so we had that also a high speed chase over the weekend that got a lot of play on social media. I did see one video at the very tail end where the state troopers car crashed, like in the intersection.

And it was. Yeah, that was pretty crazy. The Pancari Yellowstone intersection, that's where it all went down. So they ended up getting the guy on a warrant, though. Oh, good. As if that intersection needed any more trauma between the shooting that's happened there. And then also all of the road construction that is endless. Yeah. And wasn't there a flood there too?

And some do. Yeah. Yeah yeah. That was that was last summer. I think it's jinxed maybe. Yeah it might be haunted or something like there's something's going on. It's like the that's the Bermuda intersection. This would be me to interact intersection because you would think it would be a great place to have a business. But Sonic's closed there now, too, so.

Yeah. And that that building hasn't sold yet. That's true. Maybe there is. What's going on is that different? Because you would think that's a prime location. I think that's it. I would think it is. But yeah. Anyway, so you have that we also have had number of phone calls and a few texts about President Trump's executive order today.

And I don't know the method of the actual executive order. I haven't read it yet of how it intends, other than we do know that Trump is saying we're not going to pay any more than what the lowest cost is in other countries. So that's what will pay for your drugs. Okay, he did put out a Truth Social that then got turned into an X, about 45 minutes before he went to the the podium, maybe an hour before he went to the podium that said, potentially up to 59% less.

That's a little bit different than what was teased last night. Yeah, because last night there were conversations about it being 80% less than what you've been paying. Well, he gave a range like 30% to 80%, but now they've zeroed in on 59%. That was in his ex. So I don't know. Okay. Yes. We'll see. Is that just the overall impact average.

Obviously it's going to vary drug to drug I would think so. Yeah. No I you know I think if he if we can get it done we should when you think about it though here I want to I want to go back to the phone call that we had from Jim last hour. He actually is a doctor.

And so he knows this, this, this realm. So. And I get what he's saying there, in order for these drugs to even happen, it's billions of dollars for R&D costs before they even hope to make a dollar profit. So that's a that is a hurdle. And that that is a problem. You mentioned the time frame that it takes to get drugs to to market or so I guess.

Here. Here's my question. Because I do think all of these are very, very, very valid questions. But when I when I look at it, should there be this much time on how long it takes because the caller indicated it's too long, it's 12 years on average from once they start researching a drug to actually having it be available to the to the public.

And I'm thinking, well, that may be for good reason because what drug is going to be the next thalidomide? What drug is going to be the next phen phen? What drug is going to be? And you don't you want to do a lot of research and a lot of trials and a lot of testing before you say, okay, let's make this available to millions and millions of people.

I think that that's a that's a valid concern. I'm not a big fan of government regulation. However, in this particular case, the consequences can be so dire if you get it wrong and that that I, I can understand why it it's a multi multi year process to get the drugs to market. Okay. Well let's just compare epidemics okay.

So there's a potential for a weight loss drug with no side effects right. And obesity is an epidemic in America. Yeah. Probably killing far more people than most because it's a it's than a cause of heart disease and, and other things. So you, you might die from heart disease. But if you were 112 pounds overweight, that obviously had a factor in you dying from heart disease.

Okay, so should we wait 12 years to solve that epidemic? We sure didn't wait any. We waited a couple of weeks to emergency approve a Covid shot that didn't really help. Yeah, so shouldn't there be some sort of middle ground between those two? Yes. We don't we don't need to wait an entire 12 years. But two weeks was far too quick.

And I don't know if there's one answer for all the drugs to the question you're asking. Yeah, I, I maybe there are you know, you look, I mean, phen phen cost a lot of harm to a lot of people. Yeah. A lot of heart damage. And that was that was a drug that helped people get lose weight, get healthier.

But now a lot of them have permanent heart issues because of it. So I, I don't know the answer. I, I don't know why you're asking it, but I, I don't know if you can answer that broadly for every drug. Yeah. I don't know if you can either. I'm just thinking 12 years, I, I feel like there are levers being pulled and depending upon who you are, you might get it a little quicker, depending upon how much, power is behind what is being delivered, it might happen faster if you haven't paid your appropriate dues, maybe it's slowed down for you.

I just don't think it's a pure process. So let me introduce another angle to this, because I think this is very important to talk about. There's not much long term money in curing it or curing a disease. There is an immense amount of money in treating a disease over time, especially if you couldn't at the doctor can look at you and say, this is a lifetime prescription.

Yes, that that's true. So when when you look at the conflict of interest that we have right now in the pharmaceutical industry, where do you really and I'll use cancers an example, because there's all sorts of conspiracy lore out there around cancer that people went to Mexico. They took literal and they're cancer free now, whatever the cost that would come to the pharmaceutical companies if certain cancers were cured is astronomical.

That doesn't mean, though, that there is a cure that they are hiding. It just means that there's a conflict of interest there. And I do think that we can fairly say, simply because of the way human nature is, it makes it less likely that that cure is going to be vigorous, pursued, and then, once found, get elevated to being available to everyone who needs it.

I think we have to be very honest and wide eyed about the factors that we face in terms of conflicts of interest when it comes to pharmaceuticals. I also think, Julian, this is movie script, material here. If we're going to talk about conspiracy theories, I believe that one of the biggest drivers for the need of pharmaceutical drugs has been the food pyramid that we had for absolutely decades, the level of diabetes that that led to putting your starchy garbage at the top.

And that led to an obesity epidemic and obesity epidemic in this country that resulted in the need for all sorts of drugs, from insulin to now, ozempic and and other things. And I think we let's set aside the idea of pharmaceuticals for a moment. We need to talk about how we eat and, and, because I promise you, I can only speak for myself here, but you've seen me eat like garbage before, and you've seen me eat healthy before.

Now, when I say healthy, you know what healthy is for me? Reduce my carbs and eat as much protein as I can that I can comfortably. And the fat doesn't really matter at that point. If I elevate the amount of protein that I eat, and I reduce the amount of carbs that I eat, my joints feel better, my waistline shrinks, my my mental acuity increases.

And when I look at that and the anecdotal evidence that there's so many other people that are the same way, and I think you're the same to you. Absolutely. You like to get lots of protein in your diet. Absolutely. Because you just feel better when you do it. I feel like we've been lied to for decades. Oh, I think we've absolutely been lied to.

And I don't think it's a stretch for a conspiracy theory when there is proof that they put certain chemicals in junk food that trigger your body to want to eat more. Yeah. If they're putting that chemical in, they know that they they're okay with you getting fat. Yes. Yeah. They are. Okay. How about another angle to the conspiracy theory?

I'm pharmaceutical company Alpha. And Alpha has the leading statin drug on the market. Does a great job at what it's supposed to do, but it has this new, you know, not so friendly side effect on about 20% of people. But Alpha Pharmaceutical Company also has the leading drug to treat that side effect. Yeah. So for every patient on your statin drug you also now or not every patient but 20% of those patients you also get to market your a leading drug that takes care of the side effect.

So you get your your 100% on the statin and then 20% on your side job or side drug. What a double dip for you. Oh yeah. There's no reason to alter your statin drug or do research to bring it about so it doesn't have that side effect because you're making money. Well, you know what this is. And I say this with all the love I have for movie theaters everywhere, when you sell salty popcorn, people need to drink soda with that.

So and it's a win win. It's a Tony. Why are there peanuts and pretzels on a bar top? Yeah, people need to order more drinks when? When that happens. Which we all get that game because we enjoy them both. And we we know how that works, right? It's very transparent, very visible. But when it comes to pharmaceuticals, it's not so transparent.

And and everything seems to be more hidden. So but it might really work out for Alpha Pharmaceuticals because they're making a whole bunch of money. Yeah, yeah. That's true. Yeah. Sell one product that necessitates a need for another product. Yeah. I don't, I don't know, I, I'm, I feel like there is an awakening though, nutritional awakening.

And it has to do with the, the internet. There's a lot of misinformation out there, too. I'm not saying believe everything that you see, but I think people are waking up to the sort of the pervasive lies that we've had over the decades about how how we eat and what I, I, Jen, I remember it's probably been 25 years and my dad had read a book.

It wasn't the Atkins diet, but it was one that was quite similar called protein powder. And I remember when my dad told me that the basis of this, which was a completely different paradigm of eating, that basically it said you cut out all the starchy grains and don't worry about calories, but make sure you get plenty of protein and you can have some fat along with that too.

Just make sure that your carbs don't get above a certain level and and I said, okay, so you could eat bacon. He's like, oh yeah, you can eat all the bacon you wanted. And I'm like, you can't lose weight like that. There's no way that you're going to lose weight. And I remember the the prevailing attitude and prevailing wisdom was very dismissive of this book and the approach.

And this was around the time the Atkins diet was, was it might have been a few years after the Atkins diet, but that one was another one that was dismissed and all sorts of things were said about it, like, oh, you're going to destroy your kidneys with this. And there is a concern. You want to be careful with your kidneys when you do something like this.

And do everything and consult with your doctor. We're not we're not giving anyone nutrition advice or medical advice or anything. This is just an experience that happens. So please don't alter your diet until you've you've talked to your doctor. We're not giving advice. Yes. Do not rely on us. I want to do my legal due diligence here. And, but as time has gone on, what we've learned is the real problem for so much.

Whether your, cholesterol is not the problem for clogged arteries, it's cholesterol plus inflammation. That's what. That's what causes the buildup of the the arterial plaque is the fact that you're the way you're eating sends your insulin levels through the roof. It creates all sorts of inflammation that that makes your arteries more prone to holding on to that.

And that's what clogs them up. And I, I think we're seeing a kind of a whole new paradigm to health and how how we eat. But you look back and, I, I think the, the food pyramid is you and I. Julie saw it growing up. I know they've changed it some since then. That was a recipe to die early.

Yeah. Do you remember when I think back about how we were taught to eat? Do you remember cereal commercials? Would say part of part of a balanced morning breakfast, and there would be the bowl of cereal, two slices of toast, a side of fruit, a glass of orange juice like, yeah, I'm like, who eats that much for breakfast?

Yeah. But that's what they were encouraging. And that cereal was the sugary part of the breakfast that was loaded with carbs. The rest of it was carbs, too. Yeah. And we were all that was part of a balanced breakfast. Yeah. When in reality you should have eggs, some kind of meat, maybe one piece of toast or maybe half a piece of toast.

And, yeah, it was all out of balance. Yes. Yeah. So, I don't know. It's hard to. It's hard to take a lot of advice from people who have been entrenched in this community for decades. Fauci. Yes. But he knows what's best for us. Oh, yeah. You were subscribing to this crap. Well, and I 20 years ago year when you when you look at it and the way science works, where groupthink is so prevalent in science, and if you have someone that goes against the grain, that presents a new paradigm or a new way of looking at things, the backlash against them is so professionally uncomfortable that many of them just go along with it.

And I think, like I said, I think that's starting to change. I think we're starting to see the allowance of of new ideas because the, the evidence is just so abundant and overwhelming. Yeah. So all right. 928 (208) 542-1079 quick break. If you'd like to reach us on the Stones Automotive Group, Colin Text Line, that number is (208) 542-1079. Okay.

Hello our friends on Facebook. I wanted to get your take on this because it's a true crime thing. The new law that would apply the death penalty to the worst sex offenders. Yeah. They're saying that that's going to create the need for a lot more lawyers, because Death Row is going to expand and you're going to have a lot more appeals.

So you're going to have to have lawyers that are qualified to appeal capital cases. Your thoughts maybe save it for this show. Okay. I don't know if I agree with that because you're assuming it's going to be used often. Yeah. I don't think it's going to be used that often. I don't either, I don't either. I mean they're operating on a this is what's going to happen.

I think they're trying to manufacture an anti Republican legislature story. Yeah. And this is the capital said this is the law did not allocate additional funds for public defense. And state public defenders say preparing for these complex cases from day one requires significant specialized resources and personnel that may not be readily available. The constitutionality of the law is also likely to face legal challenges given past U.S. Supreme Court rulings, so, can you imagine walking around all day trying to find fires that you can turn into blazes?

Yeah, like small little flames that like a candle flame that you can somehow turn into a forest. Well, do they do this early on? So they want they want to shape the outcome of this because they, I feel like you should be outcome neutral if you're going to be a journalist, right? Yeah. They're not, though. They're not, they're not, they can't.

Can't be. I mean, are we seeing that in other states? Are we from defense plan to accept a luxury jet from cutter? Yeah, I sent you that story. Back in Trump's first presidency, he said we've got to switch out Air Force One. It is decades old, and it's time. So they ordered a, new plane, which has to be specially built because it's Air Force One from Boeing.

Yeah, it's still not done. Oh, Boeing. I wouldn't get it. So cutter said, hey, do you want one of our new ones? We're done. And wow. 931 on Newstalk 1078, Neil Larsen along with Julie Mason on a Monday. And if you'd like to reach us on the stones Automotive Group call and text line, that number is (208) 542-1079. All right, let's go to the phones.

We have a caller on the line. Caller, how are you today? Hey, Neal and Julie, good morning. It's Bill. Hi, Bill. You guys are talking about my passion and my expertise with this conspiracy with foods. Go back to butter is bad for you. Eggs are better. Are bad for you. Meat is bad for you. You start drawing some lines.

When this whole thing started. And I have to point to the crazy environmental movement trying to destroy the cows and and the farmers and put in all kinds of synthetic processed margarines and fake meats that are loaded with garbage, all in, light of saving the planet. Yeah. So you think it's just, a tentacle of the environmental movement then?

I believe so, I believe so now the sugar issue that's a different you have a very powerful sugar beet industry lobby. And so everything you put sugar in makes it so addictive and good tasting that then it's very difficult to walk away from the products that contain sugar. You take ketchup, you take, meat loaf. The first ingredients typically are some form of sugar.

And if you can compare, ketchup that is sold in a health food store, you're going to turn your nose up and say, this is disgusting, because if there's no sugar in it so it tastes more like tomatoes, not like a sweet taste. Tomato paste. Oh, gotcha. Yeah, yeah. So, so it's really, really difficult. And sugar is the most addictive substance in the world.

It's been proven. It's more addictive than cocaine and more addictive than drugs. And so it's very difficult for people to, everything. Sweden. You know, when I drive around town, my, my hair stands in the back of my neck when I see lines through the fast, driving shacks of every sugary drink, and nicks under the sun, where people are sitting in line waiting to get their sugar fix.

There's no nutritional benefit. There is no nothing good, of these drinks. But people are so hooked on them. And then obviously, we pay the price. All of us. So, Bill, I want to get your take because I know you kind of view all of this stuff. Trump's executive order on pharmaceutical drugs and and lowering the prices. What are what are your thoughts on that?

Well, on the surface it's incredible. And on the surface, this is the same exact thing as what he said in the press conference. And I watched it. The redistribution of wealth. Why are the American consumers paying ten times as much for the same socialized medicine? And we know this for a fact because we travel the world, we have friends all over the world, and they tell us it's crazy that we can go and get, even go back to the Covid and, ivermectin.

You can walk into a pharmacy in any country and get ivermectin pills for pennies, where if you could get it in the United States, it was dollars. So the rest of the world, with their socialized medicine, could not afford the prices of the American drugs. And so they were, hamstringing and and twisting the arms of the pharmaceutical companies in the United States for the certain price to sell.

So we know that's a fact. Nobody's just wanted to deal with it. Now, let's hope that he can do something about it, because, he's dealing with probably the most powerful, if not the second most powerful lobby in the U.S. is the drug lobby and the sugar lobby. For RFK Jr to get sugar out of some foods and get some artificial colors of some foods which they're trying to do, that is an immense amount of work.

And, it's like personal suicide, in my opinion. But maybe they can succeed. Yeah. All right. Well, I hope we've been telling we've been telling people for years and years. Spend your money on buying perimeter foods. Sell your fruit, fruits and veggies, fresh stuff. Spend the money on meats. If you can afford free range grass fed, whether it's eggs or chicken or meat.

More power to you. Spend the money on a membership in the gym. And in the long term, you're going to save the money from, doctor's visits and hospital visits. But that's when the insurance steps in. And when you have a copay and someone says, well, I can't afford, $10 or $20 clean chicken, but I can afford the $5 co-pay on the drug.

Then you start losing that argument. Hey, Bill, can I put in a little plug for wealth of health right now? Oh, of course, a little, personal story. It's been a few weeks, but I, I had a recipe I was working on for something called soy lecithin, and I looked online. You can order it from different places, but I wanted it that day, and and I like to support local.

Anyway. So, I thought I'm just going to. I went to different, like the big stores. None of them had it. And I thought, I wonder if Wealth of Health would have it. And I walked in. You're the only place around that I could find. And there it was, at a very affordable price, food grade, soy lecithin. So.

And thank you, Billy. You and you always seem to come through. Yeah. Thank you I appreciate it. And I'm going to throw a little little wrinkle into your lecithin story. You want to try to stay away from soy based foods. And this here here's one of the dilemmas with marketing and marketplace. So the premium lecithin is sunflower.

It's 10 to 1 sales of soy lecithin to sunflower because of the price of soy lecithin is probably half of sunflower lecithin. And that's just because of the processing and the abundance of soybean. And it plays into this whole, fake food, narrative where soybean industry, Archer Daniels Midland, you know, was such a huge, huge, powerful lobby out of Chicago, you had a connection with Barack Obama and everybody else.

Their headquarters are in Chicago was a huge, huge lobby. They were driving soybeans in every conceivable food. Unless it then, of course, but all you fake hamburgers and fake hot dogs first ingredients typically soybeans. And they've done the most damage, in my opinion, to the whole big picture of the food supply in the United States than anybody else.

So, like if people are if people can afford and they're looking for lecithin, look for sunflower lecithin. But of course, if you need soybean and you use very little of the lecithin in general, then soybean lecithin becomes your second option. It it is a tiny minuscule amount. I'm actually using it as an emulsifier for the food. Do they do you have liquid sunflower lecithin?

Yes. I believe if they do, the problem with it is the expiration dates are very short dated. It doesn't. Soybean stays on the shelf forever. It's just like soybean oil and canola oil goes rancid. Really bad oils for you. They have much longer shelf life. Sunflower lecithin. I know we have in capsules and softgels, but I can't of my top of my head.

I don't actually have it in liquid. Okay. Well, I, I appreciate the plug, Neil. Yeah, I, I appreciate that, Bill. Then thank you for the call. I always appreciate your expertise. All right, you guys. Yeah. All right. (208) 542-1079 quick break. We'll come back and we'll continue after this. After the news. Bill's always very, very brutally honest sometimes with you like oh yeah.

Like he's like yeah, you'll want to stay away from that product. You bought him my store. I'm like, yeah, it's I literally use a teaspoon for every gallon of of oil. Yeah, yeah. You're probably fine with that. I think the big takeaway there is amount of ingredients in products that you're using. So when he says stay in the perimeter of the grocery store, when you buy BlackBerry.

Yes, I love blackberries. There's no product list. It's a BlackBerry. Yeah. Right. Okay. So when you buy an egg, there's no product list. It's an egg. When you are in the interior of the grocery store, like I think Ritz crackers are yummy. Well they're horrible for you. Yeah. You start looking at what's in Ritz crackers. They are horrible for you.

So when you have a product list you start to get in danger of bringing things into your body. You shouldn't. So if you do shop the interior of the grocery store, your goal is to make sure that the amount of product in whatever you're eating is limited. Yeah, yeah. And that's that's become a real almost a movement of don't eat foods that have long ingredient lists.

Just eat it as close to the source as possible. Yeah, it's also crazy. So all right, I have these certain Shibata rolls that I like to buy at Walmart. Do you know how many weeks ago those Tabata rolls were made and frozen before they got to the shelf? And then even once on the shelf, they have about an 8 to 10 day window of freshness after they're unfrozen.

Okay, when I make my sourdough bread, it tastes different the next day. Yeah, that tells you how much extra product is in those Tabata rolls. They're putting stuff in it so that it will have shelf life. It can't be good for you. No, no, I have noticed and I'm not going to mention any brands or stores, but it used to be like up until maybe five years ago, if you bought a bag of hot dog buns, you better use those, because in about 3 or 4 days, mold is going to start.

I feel like they're putting something in them that will make them last for weeks, weeks and weeks. There's some sort of TikTok trend that if you get the the really, really cheap bread. Yeah. And you put like you squish it, then it pops back up. Right. Shouldn't be able to do that. Well, I don't buy loaf bread, so I don't know if that's real or not.

I am, but I've seen it on TikTok. We don't need a ton of bread, but my mom does, so I'll try it. Okay, I'll try. All that reminds me. And again, no brands or stores here, but like, ice cream bars. You can take them out, take them out of the package, sit them on the counter. They don't actually milk.

What are you eating? It turns into this sort of fluff stuff that isn't ice cream. It's not dairy. Yeah, I don't look at it. No. Well, yeah. The economy and money drives so much. It's like my cure for, cold sores. The cure for my cold sort costs about 1,000th of one penny. Yeah I felt one coming on the other morning like two weeks ago.

And I messaged Julie and I said, hey, will you bring me a Q-Tip and a little bit of bleach? And she did. And it, I just put on a couple times that morning. It's gone now, but nobody's going to pay money for a it doesn't make sense. Nobody's going to advertise. What is that called her medicine?

Is it abreva? Oh, maybe. I think that's it. Yeah. It's a little teeny tube. It's about this big. I haven't had a cold sore for probably 4 or 5 years, so. Yeah, I'm. I'm working off knowledge here. It's about this big, and I think it's like seven. Back then it was like 17 or $18 for the two.

Yeah. And it would make a little hard cap on it. Yeah I used to have some of that stuff and I probably would have kept buying it, but I think it was like a, I don't know, day of the week and I couldn't get it from like okay I can do some with this. 945 On Newstalk 179, Neil Larson, along with Julie Mason and the program speaking of eating food close to the source and whole food, Julie a nice thick, juicy steak with lots of pepper.

A little bit of salt from Grand Peak's prime meats is the perfect, perfect remedy for a protein deficiency. Deficiency? How about if you just want a really good quality steak? Well, that's that's the place to go get it. That's what a protein deficiency is. It's you're hungry for a good quality steak. We like that. It's local. We also like that you can ask lots of questions about where they get their beef.

You can ask that at the big box store. You don't even know where that stuff's coming from. Yeah. Or how long ago it was butchered. So yeah, you can go local, high quality cuts of beef and pork and also compare the prices. It's not like you're getting this amazing deal at these big box stores. Well, it's not their prices are very competitive.

And, you can, add to that ribs if, if you're into convenience, which I know a lot of people are, look at their crock portable ready meals that are served. You just take them out of the bag, you put them in the crock pot, and then you you do that in the morning when you get back. How many times have you done that, Julie?

Oh, multiple now. So good. Yeah, it is really good. And a lot of options that way. And can I also say, let's say you're having French dip or something. We've done this before. Even if you don't have 4 to 6 hours to do the crockpot, just take it out of the bag, put it in a nice deep skillet and then just get it all heated up in about 15 or 20 minutes and it's ready to go.

Done that. Yeah, you really should visit cheap Prime meats.com. They're friends of ours. They will quickly become friends of yours because their customer service is just that good. Again, it's GP Prime meats.com. They have all their packages available there. If you don't see something make sure you call them. They would love to take care of you. And yeah, we're big fans of Grand Peaks primates.

One of the things that I made over the weekend, Julie had, ground beef in it from Grand Peaks in, like, you had to use one of those tortillas. That's, like, this big, like a pizza tortilla, like three feet wide. Anyway, you put a little bit of that down, some cheese, and then it crunchy toast. Anyways, really good.

Good thing you brown it. Yeah, yeah, it was sort of a, like a Taco Bell copycat recipe. But the ingredients I think. Here's a secret about Neil Larson. I could put anything in a tortilla and he would try it. That is probably true. He does not like sushi. But if somehow I put the ingredients of a suit of sushi inside of a tortilla, we'd be like, you know what?

Amazing. If you probably look, if you created the hummus raisin sushi burrito, and you, you browned it in a little butter, I bet. Tortilla, I bet I would eat it. I bet you would. I bet I would. Yeah, yeah. Hummus. My. I was at a little brunch yesterday, and my sister teased me with because apparently one of the big box stores sells little tubs of hummus.

Oh, yeah, you can eat it that way. She was taunting it with because she knows I like that. Amy, you keep doing that. Stop it. I'm building my army. Yeah. Destroy Neil's hummus version. That's an interesting army. That'll be good. We're fun. Yeah, right. That's good. No, it's it's fine. You just have to put enough seasoning in it to make it savory.

There's, like, cool ranch hummus might not be terrible. Oh, my gosh, my favorite. The hummus is loaded with garlic I know I like garlic so good. I probably would have that. Yeah it's yummy right. It's loaded with flavor.

What are we arguing over? I don't know, start eating hummus and we won't argue anymore. I know, but I'm just saying most Thomas is really sort of bland. No no no no no no no. You've just had the wrong hummus. Yeah I've had the bland hummus. Yeah. There's plenty of very flavorful hummus out there. Okay. All, you know what?

I will try to be better. Well, you got to pick a flavor you like, though. Like there's a black kalamata hummus. What's kalamata olives? Oh, So good. I've never heard that word before. Calamari. Look at me. Just expose you to so much. Kalamata has four syllables. Olive has to just say like olive hummus like that has syllable of tortilla that has syllable efficiency.

And you're like it beat my chest. Tortilla me like olive. Olive. Good.

Me not like, say kalamata. Kalamata. Too many syllables.

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All right, let's take our final break. We'll come back. We'll wrap it up on Newstalk 179 (208) 542-1079 is the number. If you'd like to reach us. I'm sorry. Saying a long word was too hard for you. Number. That's okay. The hostage is out. Oh, good. Okay. Can I. We haven't talked about this too much because Trump was demanding the release of all the hostages from Hamas.

And they didn't they didn't immediately they words one here, one there. And they're saying this is the last American hostage. Okay. I do believe there's still hostages, Israeli hostages yet. This is the kid right. Who lived in America. And his parents have met with Trump multiple times. I think that this kid Aiden is that I say his name.

Aiden Eden. When they say it, it sounds like Elon. So Elon, I think is what it is. That would. Oh well, lots of texts about our nutrition discussion. Someone said animals. I was going to say that Neil without starting controversy like an hour ago, I was gonna say that without starting controversy I don't know I don't know what that's about.

Well another and I don't know again I talk about these things. I don't want it to be trans lated is making claims because I'm not even doctors disagree about this. But I have seen my mom clearly has dementia, and I have seen people say that we really didn't see a lot of dementia until Stanton Drugs came along.

But my mom hasn't been taking statin drugs so she doesn't have high cholesterol and hasn't been taking them. So I don't that's a yeah I try to in the in the spirit of science I'm trying to debunk this. However it is an interesting societal trend. Did she eat a lot of mayonnaise or excuse me margarine. Yes. So that's that's also been linked.

We didn't we didn't really have butter growing up. Margarine was the thing growing. I don't know if I ever had margarine once in my house growing up, my dad butter was the thing. Oh, he thought margin was disgusting tasting. And he's like, If I'm going to eat, it's going to taste good, okay? And so all we had was butter.

Yeah. Yeah. That's but I mean margarines basically plastic. And they've proven that it can break the brain barrier and attached to yeah portions of the brain. Oh yeah. We definitely had lots of margarine right I have we never get it now we're all butter. Yeah. All butter all the time. Yeah. Yeah okay. Let's do our last town and country okay.

It's 956 on Newstalk 1079. Make town and country part of your well lawn and garden Regiment because they have what you need. Whether it's the vegetables to start your garden or the seeds if you're growing things from seed, maybe it's house plants and certainly all the things that you put on your lawn and garden from the pesticides, the herbicides.

And if it's the four step lawn program, that's the fertilizer in the humains. And really the lawn probiotics that you need. Here's a really great reason to use town and country. All your stuff's in one place. It's efficient. They have experts. And their stuff works. We're living proof that the four step loan program works. We're living proof that they're there.

Like they're hanging baskets. They don't die a week after you buy them. They are such high quality, flowers that you're getting. So why not just go someplace where it works instead of spreading yourself out over all of these other places? Get your garden needs, get your lawn needs, get your decorative need to all at, town and country gardens.

And it will be well worth your time. And while you're there, little bit of novelty. Say, is there any way to see one of those, glow in the dark petunias? The firefly, petunia and of course, they do have those Italian country gardens. Yeah. Cool. South of Idaho Falls, across from the malting plant. You're right there on Yellowstone Highway.

Yeah. Okay. Just a couple of, couple of minutes. About a minute and a half here. Left on to, (208) 542-1279 is the number if you'd like to reach us. Somebody just said they have free range dandelions on their lawn. Town and country would have a solution. They can take care of those free range dandelions. I'm sure somebody on the left would think that.

You're doing a great job, though, as these natural scaping, right? That's true. Some people find the dandelions pretty, which, Yeah. Yeah. Do you have any dandelion issue? No, no. Good. Because you use the force to plant. Use the four step lawn program. Yeah. All right. To 958 on Newstalk 1079. Someone else will just, end with this.

Someone said sugar is also a major contributor to inflammation, which is a big part of most diseases, a huge part, actually. Yeah. And, so, someone said Idaho Falls has an inordinate number of drink places and other kinds of, Yeah, they listed a whole bunch there. Yeah. Hey, you know what it means? People have, disposable money.

Sure. So, like, if there's a need and it's being fulfilled, you can't get mad at capitalism. I think it's great. Like, I look, I'm like, that's brilliant. So. All right, have a great Monday, everyone. Julie and I, we are back tomorrow right here on Newstalk 1079.