11.8.2024 -- NLS -- "Trump Triumph: Divided Reactions, Realities, and a Path Forward"

On this episode with Neal and Julie, the two hosts delve into the aftermath of Donald Trump’s victory and reflect on its impact on both the nation and personal relationships. Neal shares his feelings about the election outcome, discussing his optimism for potential changes in the economy, international relations, and American industry under Trump's leadership. They address the mixed reactions from people across the political spectrum, with Neal expressing empathy for those who feel apprehensive about the future and encouraging civility amid differing opinions.

Julie adds insights into how people project personal fears and frustrations onto political figures like Trump, urging listeners to look beyond rhetoric and understand the emotions driving some reactions. They touch on the deep divisions over issues such as abortion, highlighting the complexities of legislative approaches, particularly in conservative states like Idaho. Neal and Julie also discuss social media dynamics, suggesting it’s sometimes best to step away from the digital world if political discourse becomes overwhelming.

The episode closes with a call for unity and informed involvement in political processes, with Neal and Julie emphasizing the need for communities to stay engaged and support each other as they navigate these polarized times.

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Hello. East Idaho, good morning. It is Friday. Super excited to have a weekend. Also super excited for today's show as well and I hope you are feeling upbeat. I hope you're feeling ready for what comes next and over the next four years, of course, those of us who are conservatives, those of us who or supportive of Donald Trump and a Republican majority in Congress and in Washington, DC, have been in a jubilant mood since late Tuesday night when it became quite clear that Donald Trump is going to become our country's 47th president.

I'm thrilled, and I'm not going to hide that, nor am I going to temper that. But I've had. How many days has it been? Let's see what you two and a half days. Something like that. Since we have learned that Donald Trump is going to be the president and I, I feel like I'm sort of putting things into some perspective here for myself.

And I last night I posted on Facebook, a screenshot of the screen that allows you to snooze people for 30 days. I've used it. I've used it a little bit the last couple of days, because I really like people and I really like my Facebook friends have got a little over 3000 of them, and and there's none of them that I would say I dislike if I dislike them, that I typically will either unfriend them or unfollow or whatever.

But there are times when absence can make the heart grow fonder, and snooze for 30 days is the real life execution of absence making the heart grow fonder? And I wanted to address just for a couple of minutes this morning, some things that I'm seeing on Facebook that are expected. This is not like, oh, weird. I can't believe this has happened.

It's not like that. But I had sort of forgotten about how bad it could be in the wake of an election, and I had to do a self-check. I if I go back in my own memory to 2012, Mitt Romney ran against Barack Obama, and I remember having super high expectations for Mitt Romney's candidacy. This was back when I really liked Mitt Romney, and I agreed with him.

And I thought he was a man of integrity. And, even though maybe he was a little bit more toward the center than I was, I felt like he had the leadership skills that could, could lead the country in a in a very good way. That's all change now, of course. But if we are to rewind back to that moment, you probably felt similar to the way that I did.

And I remember having an expectation that Mitt Romney was going to beat Barack Obama because Obama was a horrible president. In terms of policy, in terms of his toxic impact on the culture in America today. I think that the hope was when he was elected, he I certainly didn't vote for him. I voted sort of apathetic early for John McCain in 2008.

But if there was one takeaway and silver lining that I thought we would have had with Barack Obama, it was that America has elected a black man as the president of the United States. And I hope that that helps to put to rest at least a portion of the racial tension that we had had in this country. And I remember even talking publicly about it, I could not have been more wrong.

He didn't come with a healing balm. He didn't come with a salve that could have healed so much of the the race issues that and they were they were calming down in our country at that point in time. And I thought we could get most of it behind us. No, he showed up with kerosene, he showed up with gasoline, and he relit the, the the racial flames of contention and division in this country.

We're still reeling from it. He accelerated it. And it was clear very early on in his presidency that's what he was going to do, which probably fueled my enthusiasm for Mitt Romney at that point in time. And I remember when in 2012, when Mitt Romney lost, I, I was disappointed I didn't lose my shizz, but I was disappointed that Mitt Romney had not been victorious.

It's hard to beat an incumbent. I think at that point in time, even though Barack Obama didn't, was not viewed as a as a good policy president, he personally was fairly well liked by the country. And that you can fail at a lot of things if you're well liked. Many of you probably you, we all know people who keep their jobs.

They're terrible at their jobs, but people like them, so they keep their jobs. If you're likable, that can compensate for a lot of failures professionally and politically. And Barack Obama won a second term. I don't know if he earned it, but he won it. And I remember being bummed out for a couple of weeks, but I moved on, if you might remember, a couple of years prior to that, the Tea Party began.

That was the red wave back then, that Barack Obama was moving so quickly with his Alinsky ite agenda that there was a big backlash by conservatives in the country. And a comment on, I believe it was CNBC, led to the creation of a Tea party that we needed a modern day revolt, a modern day tea party. And that began, well, I think the Tea Party was a thing for probably close to a decade, but you move on and you react and you respond.

And keep in mind it, it were only a couple of days out from the election results, and I feel the pain, genuinely, of those who are disappointed that Donald Trump is going to be the president for the next four years. What I don't understand, though, is people getting completely broken over this, people believing that Donald Trump is going to implement internment camps, that Trump is going to, I've even seen, people who believe that Donald Trump is going to commit genocide against transgenders.

I've seen comments that we are simply going to have lawlessness and overreach for the last four years, which I'm not going to because I want to look forward. But I could make the case. That's all we've seen over the last four years under Joe Biden is lawlessness and overreach. I had to snooze someone who doesn't seem at all concerned about lawfare, unconcerned about the massive influx of illegal immigrants, and essentially inviting them, flying them in, accommodating them, coming in and distributing them throughout the country.

They were silent about it, at least as far as I could tell. They were silent about the incessant use of lawfare to try and destroy a man's family. A man's livelihood, most importantly to them, to destroy his political prospects and his presidential ambitions. But perhaps we all do this, perhaps through each of our own set of rose colored glasses.

We might apply certain standards in situations that are unfavorable to us, that we set aside. When we like the outcome, we probably all do it to some extent. Now, I will say this, and I don't I don't know if this is consolation. It probably isn't. It's meant to be, but probably isn't going to land this way. But Donald Trump is not going to commit any genocide.

I can assure you. If that's your fear, I hope you can rest easy. That is not going to happen. Donald Trump is not going to be lawless for the next four years. Every president we've for some reason, the presidency itself is beyond the bounds of what the constitutional laws. It's become somewhat of an imperial presidency, and that applies to every president.

It's an imperial presidency to enter our nation into a climate agreement without approval by the Senate. That's lawlessness. That's extra constitutional. And that's just one example. It's lawless to ignore our nation's immigration laws and to allow people to freely flow into this country. That's lawlessness. If anything, what will happen? And this is the twisted world that we live in.

This is the the smoke and mirrors. In fact, it's more than smoke and mirrors distort things. We live in an era where things get reversed. We are going to have people who will view mass deportations as lawlessness, when in reality that is adherence to the law that is lawful, that is honoring our laws. When you identify the people who have flouted the law, come here illegally, and then you send them back home.

But yet in our world, where people are no longer able to process reality properly, they think that's lawless because I don't like it, because I don't prefer it to be that way. This president's being lawless. It's just a bizarre realm that we live in. There's also something that I would hope the people who are living in fear today, because there's a lot of them, people who are dreading the next four years, people who kind of despise Trump.

I want to ask you question. I mean this genuinely, because I, I thought a lot about what I wanted to say today, because I want America to move forward. I want us to find a way to work together. I'm not a big fan of Kumbaya. Kumbaya is a dangerous place to be because you're solving problems requires conflict.

It requires you to to have different opinions. So if we get to a Kumbaya point, then I'm really afraid. But I want to ask those of you who are having fear, anguish, dread all the things that your Facebook posts seem to indicate. Are you actually assessing Donald Trump accurately? Are you are you creating the Donald Trump you need in your mind for you to be relevant and important?

There's nothing that provides people with indignation more than a villain. If you want to be important, make someone else evil. If you want to be relevant, make someone else incredibly threatening. Reference Hitler, even if you must, to make yourself important. Donald Trump is not Hitler. He's not going to be. He'll do things you don't like. He may say things you don't like.

He'll implement policies you wish he wouldn't. That doesn't make him Hitler. It doesn't make him lawless. It means we live in a very dynamic republic with lots of different opinions. So hopefully, and again, this is why snooze for 30 days is a beautiful feature on social media that in 30 days people will have added perspective might be a little more measured.

My optimism here isn't quite that high, though I. I think that the rule of the day and we're going to just see it in the media. We're already seeing it, is keep people at the maximum level of outrage that that we can generate. By the way, the media loves having Donald Trump is the president because their ratings J goes sky high for all of them now.

They didn't want him to be the president, but they will benefit. Their business model will benefit from him being the president. But make no mistake, they will portray Donald Trump as Hitler for the next four years. I just hope you're smart enough to recognize what they're trying to do. I hope that when you go to the grocery store and you see over the next year, the price of groceries moderating, the price of gas moderating, when you see jobs coming back to America, when you see the Ukraine Russia war de-escalating, when you see North Korea minding its its P's and Q's, when you see trade relationships improving, that you will be adult enough to recognize why

those things are happening and not infantile or not so infantile that you will dismiss them away and create some vague, weird academic theory as to why Donald Trump's policies had absolutely nothing to do with all of the things that we're going to see over the next four years. It's called growing up. It's called being resilient. Doesn't mean you have to love the man, or that you have to go out and be supportive of him.

But what it does mean is that you are mature enough to recognize that you're wrong. And I hope that's what we will see. Again, my expectations are pretty low. There's a lot of people who are completely governed by their emotions. And in this realm and in this world, we have an awful lot of people who are biologically adults, but they are still very much emotional children.

And I find that sad. And it leads me to wonder, who broke you, who who put you in this position that your emotional well-being is now JB welded to who the president of the United States is? I find that very, very sad. It's 825 on Newstalk 179 gonna break. It's a Friday. We will open up the phone lines bit later here and take your phone calls.

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I'm on the wrong layer. That's why it's a little. And, welcome back. On this Friday morning, it's Neal Larson along with Julie Mason and Julie. We're excited. It's studio for covers this morning. We have a good friend of the show joining us. Her name is Stephanie Jimenez. She is a little lower down in the Valley. She's from Pocatello.

Thank you for joining us this morning Stephanie, welcome. All right. Why did you choose this song by, well, it's called Runaway Train by Soul Asylum. I know it means something special to you, so share that. Story with us. Well, I grew up in Idaho Falls with a in a family of 12 children. Wow. That's a lot.

Yes, a lot. My brother was, about 21 years old, and he went missing, and he was found, about five months later. But it was the week before Halloween or a few days before Halloween. And that same week, I met my husband, now husband? Yeah. And he was missing. Not the first few months we knew each other.

And he was found. And then we got married and moved to California. He was in the Navy. My husband. Yeah. And then, Yeah. And then we raised four kids on the autism spectrum, and I been singing my whole life since I was, like, in kindergarten, singing primary songs. Okay. But, yeah, I sing all different kinds of music.

Okay. And and you chose this song kind of in honor of your brother, then? Yes. Okay. And then there's also the song him out in about 1992, just about the same time he was found. And there's been at least 20 children that were runaways that have been found because of this song and the video. Okay. A couple were sad stories because they had bad parents, you know?

Yeah. They didn't want to be found. Yeah, but the other ones were good stories. Okay. Well, great. Well, are you ready? Oh, well, one more thing. Oh, yeah. There's, a group called Mason's Army Mackin. He's a, 15 year old boy that, left his home in, Utah and in 20, 2015. And there's a, site on Facebook called Mason's Army.

And it's all about homeless people and people who are missing and helping find those people. He hasn't been found, but. Okay. All right. Stephanie Jimenez on studio four covers. Here we go.

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And everything seems cut and dry. Day and night. Earth and sky. Somehow I just don't believe it.

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Stephanie Jiménez, thank you for coming in this morning. We're glad that song is so meaningful to you. We appreciate you coming in. Thanks. All right. It's 844 on Newstalk 179. It's 847 on Newstalk 107 and Neal Larson along with Julie Mason on this Friday morning. How are you doing, Julie? I'm good, I'm good. We're Gen-X twins. We are.

We did this to. Sometimes we inadvertently dressed the same. Today was very deliberate because we saw a tweet yesterday. Gen-X class of 91 baby delivered for Donald Trump. This week. Yeah. Of all the age groups, Gen X showed up the biggest and the best for Donald Trump. And so we were like, yeah, I'm good with that. Let's read it tomorrow.

So I think, don't they define Gen X as anywhere from 1965 to 1980? You had to be born in that time. Yeah, that's what I mean. People born in that, in that era, we're kind of smack dab in the middle. We are right in the middle. Yeah, it is so yeah, I love Gen-X. Yeah. I'll gladly scream up from the rooftops that were members of Gen X.

Yeah. Oh, look, it says it right on our shirts. Oh it does. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, thanks to our wonderful listener who provided these for us. She made these for us. What does it say? Based on the. Oh, raised on hose water and neglect, I couldn't explain my life more. Ain't that the truth? With all due respect to my wonderful parents, I was latchkey kid and I spent a lot of time outside.

We used to flag the flood, the lawn and run in the ditch. Water. So, yeah, you know, it's interesting today because I heard, like, a few years ago about the hose water, like, don't drink it because it the hoses aren't food grade quality or whatever. Were they back in our day or did we just not obsess over everything?

I don't know, the our our parents weren't even paying attention to what we were doing so well. They didn't really need to. Yeah, we just it was like, well, Jordan Peterson has this phrase that he says, allow your children, to let's see, how does he say it? Carefully live dangerously. You know, you you just let them do some things.

Yeah. Make sure you like watch them. Don't let them, like, end up harming themselves completely. But if they figured out how to pull a chair over and climb up and get something. Yeah, let them climb up and get the thing. Agree their problem solving their figuring things out. You can hover slightly. Guess what? If your kid falls off of a chair, life is not over.

I fell off plenty. Yeah, right. I've told the story. I was playing on the stairs once and my mom was hanging, a new balance over the kitchen sink. Yeah, and she yelled at me, and she said, if you fall down those stairs, I'm not coming to get you. And guess who fell down the stairs? Said Julie. I fell down the stairs and she didn't come get me, and I'm alive and well at 51, you made it.

You're probably stronger today because of it. I'm sure I am. Yeah, she warned me, but she let me keep doing it. And I did fall, and I was okay. All right, well, someone just texted in. I'm Jen by 28 days, so we'll keep you. You can be part of our group. Yeah. One more pregnancy cycle. They would have missed it.

Was that awkward? Yeah, a little bit. Okay. Sorry. That's part of being Gen-X. We're not going to. We just say it how it is. I don't know there people like Kerry. Like, did he just say. He didn't just say that, did he?

Yeah, it kind of did. Welcome to the Neal Larson show. That's it. That's what we do around here. That's why we're. You're beloved for that. So don't don't change it, okay I will. You can always rely on me to make it awkward. Okay. Julie, I, it's interesting. I had my monologue. I talked about the people losing their ever loved shares on Facebook and in social media about Donald Trump.

Yes. Being the president now. And people are now texting in some things that they saw like someone said to your point, Neal, I saw an interview with a woman who was infuriated that Trump was being allowed to serve a third term. And as silly as that sounds, I think it's indicative of the fear mongering and the lies that have been disseminated through social media and other outlets to confuse the nation a third term.

Well, but think about it for a minute. What was one of Kamala's really clunky taglines was turn the page, turn the page. She's the one in power. We did turn the page from Biden and Harris. So but I really think that Donald Trump has lived in people's heads for the last eight years. So in their mind, it has kind of the same psychological footprint as if Donald Trump had been president since 2020.

Yes. Yeah. Well and they almost refer to it sometimes like he was still serving while they did that a couple of times I think by mistake. But yeah, they were kind of acting like he was still in power in some way. So I guess somebody who is that uneducated can believe this is a third term. It's not a third term.

Right. It's the it's the same concept that we talked about that, that people fully believe that their rights are going to be taken away. There's no rights. They're taken away. Nothing's happening. Nothing changed. On Tuesday. You're still the same person. You can keep living. They they fall under these these narratives that just aren't accurate. Yeah. No, no no they don't.

Someone said my son just screamed that Donald Trump wanted to criminalize the LGBT Q population and exterminate them. We got into an argument because he truly believes what he reads in his liberal readings that they're true. But the things I listen to and read are all lies and deceit. So yeah, I listened to a clip by Kellyanne Conway the other day, and she referenced Laurel and Yanny.

Do you remember that phenomenon? Oh yeah. Yeah, the audio recordings. Some people heard Laurel, some people heard Yanny. They barely have any letters, even in common, but some people's ears heard Laurel, some people's ears heard Yanny. She also made a reference to the blue dress and the gold dress. We really live in that environment now. And I think that there are some, some people who really are hearing and believing in their eyes that Donald Trump is the next Hitler.

He's a fascist. He's going to be lawless for four years. He's going to be a dictator. And they're hearing Laurel, we're hearing Yanny. We're looking at him, and he's kind of crass. He says some things that are kind of rough around the edges. But he loves America, and he's got a lot of street smarts, and he's a great businessman, and he will fire people that aren't performing up to his expectations.

And so I feel like which side is right, which side has clear eyes. And obviously we're the right ones. But they say obviously we're the right one. Right? So it we live in this dimension where so much media is available to us, self-selected through the internet or so many channels on Roku or cable that we go to those channels that will reaffirm what we believe because we like that experience better.

We like to go to channels that will reaffirm what what we have, which is why. And this is kind of an uphill climb. Do I go to Daily Wire? Yes. Do I go to the Daily Caller? Yes. I even go to Gateway Pundit sometimes. So I do all that. I fall for that phenomenon too. I also go to CNN and I go to the New York Times, and I go to Newsweek, and I go to the Wall Street Journal, and I go, I try to go to a lot of things, and I'll try and pay attention to the things that come in that make me a little uncomfortable, that aren't that aren't just reaffirming my

belief because I want to stay sane and I want to stay clear eyed about about this. I that's what the, the best approach is, is to try to enter in with no emotion. So if I was going to add anything to what you said, that's that's the part I would say is that when we're having the blue dress, gold dress argument or the laurel yanny argument, people become just so passionate about their side and passions.

Good. But it can't cloud logic thinking. Yeah, and that's where the logic fallacies come into play. There's been a really popular social media post that has been shared over and over again on people's stories that are just furious about Trump winning this election. And I'm not going to say it exactly verbatim, but it's something along the lines of that how dangerous of territory that we're entering now, because Trump would begin to kill people.

Yeah, okay. Let's just walk that logically and not feel any emotion. Your party kills hundreds of babies every day. Yeah. And you advocate for that legislation. Your party was the one who fired bullets at a political candidate. Yeah, and barely missed him from being killed. Yet they will point the finger and say that it is Trump who's going to kill people your party is advocating for, for dangerous criminals to be to be able to come across the border illegally and kill multiple people across our United States.

But you want immigration to stay the same. You want those people to be able to come. So, I mean, the first concept that comes to mind, I love your your view on this. It's projection. It is projection. But and maybe this is just another way of defining projection is that you're accusing your enemy of of they're about to do something despicable that on some level you've been okay with the you've been doing all along.

You were cheering the fact that that somebody tried to assassinate Trump. Yeah. You ridiculed it at at the very least. And some people did cheer it on. There are people who we, you know, you know them, I think they kind of dismissed it and Pooh poohed it. They didn't want to publicly say they're all in on assassinating, nominee.

But if we were in a healthy nation it would have appalled absolutely everybody. Other than the most fringy weird, horrific people, we all would have been horrified that the nominee of a major American party just about lost his life. Yeah. I mean if you're going to assign murderous behavior to either side, I think it's pretty clear which side has the murderous behavior.

Yeah. Yet you're, you're pushing propaganda that Trump is going to kill members of the LGBTQ community. Yeah. That is that is emotion driven. That is not logic driven. There's no evidence whatsoever that that will happen. We'll be back to eight 59 hour two coming up on Newstalk 1079 more, because the transfer portal for me is like marijuana. I could argue either way, I'm actually leaning a lot closer to the side of it's time to get rid of it.

It needs completely reorganized. If they're going to keep it. There needs to be some changes, some brakes on it. Yeah. And maybe, you know what? One thing they could do pretty easy is athletes can only use it once in their college career. That would be a there needs to be some barriers on it. Yeah. Because college athletics is looking more and more like pro leagues with the name image, likeness stuff.

The fact that they're essentially free agents from one year to the last. Yeah. So yeah. Oh, here we go. All right. Our 2907 on Newstalk 107 nine. It's the final hour of the week. Let's make it count people. Which means you need to call 208542. What I like sometimes this bold, commanding approach is self satisfying, but I don't know if it's always effective.

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Hi, caller. How are you today? Good morning. Neal. Julie. Good morning. I'm sure you can recognize my voice. Yes, we can. Mike. Good to have you with us. Well, anyway, I'll, keep it kind of brief. I think, part of the problem now is, like you say, I think you and I both know that it's not going to happen, but I think people should, stay off Facebook for a while.

And then another thing that I think, and what I've seen, watching the different news channels and stuff, is the news channels are fueling this unrest. I think, you may disagree, but, what we need to do now, Neal, and I've, you know, I've every I talked I stopped at Fort Hall yesterday, you know, did some shopping or and, also went, you know, different places.

I've been, shopping, with equipment. And I just, I told those guys, I said, you know, what we need to do now is, is forget about, Republican, Democrat, constitutionalist, independents. Everybody has a right to belong to a political party. Okay? I voted for Trump. But now what we need to do, Neal, as far as I'm concerned, we are all Americans.

Doesn't matter what color our skin is. We're all Americans. We like to be free. We like to have our freedoms. Now that's put all our differences aside. And let's make our country good again. You know, and stronger and, that that's how I feel now. I want you to to have a great day.

I do enjoyed listening to your show, and I hope the people out there are listening and I hope that they pay attention to what I've said today. And I hope it, I hope it means something to all of us out there. Yeah. So, anyway, I love the sentiment. Mike, thank you. And, appreciate you calling in a I think that approach is about sort of, you know, let's all have whatever emotional reactions we're going to have to this election.

You know, obviously, many of us were thrilled with how it turned out, but we've been on the losing end before, and we know for a little while you're you're not happy. You're you're pretty upset about it. Let's let the emotions die down and then let let's try and find some common ground in a way to move forward. I agree with that and I love that approach.

I think that's great. Very well said. Now anyway. Now, Julie, you both have a great day and I'll talk to you later. All right. Looking forward to it. Thank you. It is a good sentiment. And when he references staying off of social media, if it's getting you worked up, either do what what Neal did and and just do a temporary block on some people or it would be perfectly fine to just take a couple days, break it yourself.

Yeah. Yeah, that's that's a good point. Although I like the results. I've been on social media more than usual. I've actually not. I didn't want to see it. It was just bugging me so bad. Oh, just the the reaction. The reaction. Yeah, I, I just don't do well with well, you know, I don't do well with then the lack of logic.

Yeah. I don't care if you're upset about the the election. I don't care at all. I just don't want you to be illogical. I don't want you to lie on your social media. Be frustrated. Yeah. If you're worried about the country, I'm okay. I've been worried for four years. Yeah. That's fine. Just don't be illogical. Yeah, that's a big ask.

For some. It is a big ask. Yeah. All right, let's go to the next caller. Welcome to the show caller. How are you? Hi. Hi. Good. Hey. We appreciate you guys. Hey. Love that you speak truth and facts. So thank you for doing that. Well thank you. How you talking about reflecting on, putting people on pause for 30 days on your Facebook?

Yeah. I happened to see a dear friend who has two miracle children. Had to, you know, go through the whole IVF process. Everything I, I was taken back when she was ranting and raving that Kamala didn't win and women's rights and the owning their bodies and and I was going wait of all people. I had no idea that she felt that way.

And I was taken back because I thought, oh my goodness, do you not see the miracle? Yeah, miracle in your life? So that, you know, going back, reflecting I just in my heart was broken. It made me sad. Yeah. And I just. Anyway, I didn't know that you could pause people for 30 days. So thanks for teaching me that.

Yes, you can find that functionality. It'll it'll make your experience a lot better. Yeah. So yes. And and to go along with what the gentleman was saying before, I really do feel like a lot of people that voted for Kamala. I feel that if Kamala would have won, they would be telling all of us, okay, now let's regroup.

Let's. Yeah. Grow up. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. And and and so I feel like it does go both ways. So I am sensitive to that. But yet I'm thinking, you know, time will show. The truth always comes out. You can't hide. Yeah you can't. You will be held accountable for it. So anyway thank you guys. Appreciate it. Well thank you very much.

And thank you for your kind words. Yeah I actually really identify with this color. I, I have a very hard time, understanding women who have the blessing of children in their life, whether they had the miracle of carrying them on their own or having the miracle of adoption, however that child came into their life. It is I can't I just can't understand that somebody would then want to kill a baby.

Yeah, I don't know. I it at least makes sense if you're 21 and you're scared and you've never had, you know, you came from maybe a rough circumstance and you've never loved someone the way you can love a child. And, and, and maybe there's a lack of knowledge there or depth in order to, to realize what you're about to do.

But if you have your own child and then you support the the killing of children, I still I don't get it. I don't I don't get that either. I don't know how. And I try very hard to actually set aside the abhorrent practice of abortion and understand why. Are they okay with it. Yeah. Where where are they? Adam.

Yeah. Why? Where they are. And really quick. We want to get to the call the next call. One final thought or I'll lose it here. I believe sometimes when we see people that are lashing out like that on Facebook, and I've had the same experiences that last caller where you like. I had no idea this person felt this way on this issue.

And they are a million miles away from where I'm at. I, I really try to remember where a lot of times people's behavior isn't actually about the thing they're talking about. It's about something going on within them. And we've all had that moment where maybe a kid told told you your own child told you they hate you or that, you know, I think good parents don't take that personally.

They go, okay, what's going on with this kid? Why why are they doing that? And and they're they're saying something about them even though it's directed at something else. And so when I see this, these people that think that Donald Trump is the next Hitler, that he's a fascist, that he's all of these things, that's more a commentary on a place they're at in their lives right now for whatever reason, whether it's spiritual or emotional or whatever a they're going through something that they're projecting this hostility in the world for some reason.

And I think maybe we can give them a little grace when we do that. Maybe let's go to the next guy. I believe this is our friend Bill. Hi, Bill. Hey. Good morning. You and Julie. How are you guys? We're good doing. Well. So I know you're have. They're all swelled up from all the thank you from the people you've gotten, you know, many days I haven't for more than.

Yeah, I know I'm giving you I'm giving it to you. I, I think you've done an amazing job. And, you know, thank God that enough people listen to this station and to your program, that we're able to maybe make some informed decisions because of you and the documentary that you made on ring choice and all that. So, you know, huge, huge thank you for all well you've done.

I hope you'll stay busy for the next four years because it may get boring for you. I will try that. Thank you so much, Phil. Yeah, absolutely. So two questions. You were talking about abortion. And we have this conversation since Tuesday with two ObGyn professional friends here who voted for Harris under the same thing that, you know, Trump is going to outlaw abortion.

And that's the first lie they throw in your face that, abortion is banned. So then you have to bring him back to the table and say, no, it's not banned. It was given back to the States. And they go, well, it's banned in the state of Idaho. Then you have to take him back again and say, no, it's not because there are some clear exclusions with the rape, incest in the health of the mother and child.

And what they said is it is incredibly difficult to get permission in the case of incest, rape or health of a mother or a child to get an abortion in Idaho. And I'm trying to dig through the states, health and welfare and all of the stuff to see what is the requirement. How long does it take? Who's in charge of the approval process?

Is it a bureaucratic thing that needs to be simplified? Because maybe they do have a point that if they are giving an emergency, you know, abortion, because of those three exemptions in the state, and they cannot do it timely. Maybe there is a problem. I don't know. That's something maybe you can look into and and see how what is the process for that doctor in Idaho right now, to get it done.

And then the second point is maybe you've already talked about this. If Republicans do not deliver in the next two years, there's going to be a massive exodus and the promises that they're making on the budget, on the taxes, on inflation, because it is very rare to have, one sided, you know, complete, government House, Senate, judicial and the president.

And if they waste this opportunity and we don't see major, major changes in foreign policy, United Nations, World Health Organization garbage, again, inflation, taxes, there's going to be serious consequences two years from now. I, I agree with you wholeheartedly. I think the this is kind of one of those dirty little secrets in Washington that, of course, Democrats want to have the majority.

They're actually not that upset if they get the minority for a couple of years, because they can raise massive amounts of money leading into the 26 midterms. And and they'll have a huge war chest for, you know, a, midterm election that they'll probably win win back. So you're right. We have a two year window. Now, if the Republicans win the House, we got to get a lot of crap done in in a couple of years really fast.

Right. And it will be irrelevant of what Democrats raise, because if they bring up issues that are not factual anymore, I think people have wised up this cycle. What lies are and what facts are much better than they did four years ago and eight years ago. So even if they're sitting on a pile of money raising constantly, Trump is this Trump is that Republicans are doing this or that, but people can see the factual end of wars, money in people's pockets, wages going up.

Stock market continues to do well, gas prices down. If people see that, it's going to be very difficult for them to, you know, lie again. And for CNN and MSNBC and all the other networks to continue, you know, perpetuating the flight. Yeah. Agreed. Agreed. Bill, thank you. And thanks for your kind words. I really appreciate it. You guys have a great weekend.

All right. We'll see him. 285421278I second everything you said about the economy, about ending the wars. We've got two years and we got to act fast and it has to happen. I think, there was enough independents that crossed over and voted for Trump. Yeah. There's a high expectation now. Yes, there is. And these are people that have no problem leaving the Republican Party.

After a couple of mistakes, you know. So, yes. And we really I mean, I say two years, we really only have about a year because that second year everybody's in campaign mode and they're not going to do anything too crazy. They're not going to rock the boat as much. Yeah. Can I just point out before we go to the caller about abortion?

So that was the first part of the phone call. I think it would be a great idea for us to do a deep dive on what exactly is required of a physician to perform an abortion for rape, incest, or life of the mother. Yeah. However, I would have pointed out if I had been speaking with those OB GYNs, how frequently other physicians in other fields recommend that you go see a doctor out of state?

How many people do you know go to Utah for care? Tons. We have. We have a beloved friend who is doing his cancer treatment in Arizona. A so this concept that it has to be done here, I don't like that that selective for just abortions. We send people away from Idaho all the time to get health care.

Yeah. And no. And and that's true. And you probably you can't get one in Utah or Wyoming. I don't know what Montana's rules are. No. But you could do Nevada or an Oregon in Nevada, Oregon, Washington. I mean, yes, we have neighboring states, if that if that's that important to you. And I think you have organizations that if you don't have the money, they'll help you come up with the money.

Sure. It's only just past that. They went to 24 weeks. You can have an abortion in Arizona up to 24 weeks. That was one of the saddest things that came through, on their propositions. So you have places and there are flights to Arizona for sometimes as cheap as 50 bucks. Yeah, yeah. I, I do think that it is if it's not a manufactured controversy, it's an exaggerated controversy.

But I will speak to what Bill said. If a woman has been raped or if you have a teenage girl say she's the victim of incest. I do think abortion access in those very legitimate cases should be very accessible to them. I don't think we should make it hard for a rape victim to have an abortion, or if a woman's life truly is in danger, it should not be hard.

I don't want to take these tragic situations and add another layer to it. However, we have to be very careful because there's that fine line between making sure that that they're able to do that and not making a loophole that any woman can show up to a doctor's office and say, I feel like my life's in danger. Can I get an abortion?

And she can get an abortion? Yeah, I think we have to have some standard in place there. So yeah, I agree. I think it's a tough line to find though. Yeah. All right. Let's go to the phones. Caller good morning. Good morning. Is it me yet. Is you. Yes. Go ahead I want to thank you and Julie two for your radio station.

I, I am Juliet and I am selling this week for the results of the election. And I feel like it was the answer to many prayers. It was many of mine, I know, and I, but I am appalled at the language that people use. And I think how can we expect God to bless our nation when we use his name in vain so often?

Yeah, I, I would agree with you. And that's been part of the crassness of our, of our culture. Caller thank you very much. I appreciate you, calling in and and a lot of kind words, Julie and I, I feel like we have worked hard, and I'm not going to take anything away because we put forward a lot of effort to try and inform the public.

We do come with our opinions. We don't hide those, but we also try to come with the truth as well and will acknowledge when we're wrong. Or maybe when something's not so great on on our side. But I feel like in another regard, and maybe I can only speak for myself. We're nothing special. We're just. We're just a couple people who love America like everyone else.

And we're using the the resources and the tools at our disposal to stand up for what we believe in. That's no greater than what our listeners are doing and in their lives in doing the same thing. And so while we do get a lot of praise, how many thank yous do you think we've had in the last ten?

Dozens. I mean, it has come in via text and emails and in person and all of those things. And and Bill, I mean, he was joking about, you know, not that we need more for our egos here. We we very much appreciate it. But at the same time, I want to keep myself grounded and go, I'm not special.

We're just we happen to have a, you know, a radio show, and our our platform is big and we've got a good megaphone. But everyone listening in their capacity has been working just as hard to stand up for what they believe is right. Yeah. I said this several times on our election night coverage, as we were seeing after 9:00, and we were seeing that this was going to be so soundly defeated in Idaho.

I said, there there is plenty of of credit and praise to be given to Neal for his documentary. There's plenty of credit and praise to be given to this show for speaking about it so much, but none of that would have mattered. None of it would have mattered had it not been for listeners using those resources and talking people.

We needed our lawmakers to speak up. And they did. We had lawmakers step out and boldly say how horrible it was. We had former lawmakers. We praised, Jefferson County had one of the most amazing turnouts for no against prop one. Carrie Hanks deserves a lot of credit for that. Absolutely. She's not even a lawmaker anymore. That woman worked tirelessly to make it happen.

Yeah. So it took an it took a whole army and we didn't have the money behind us that those who were wanting prop one to pass had. And so and that goes to show you money doesn't always make everything go round. No it doesn't. One thing to add to I just had this thought because you're talking about the big margins by which prop one failed.

And I made a joke, that I was a little mad on election night because it won by such a big margin, I didn't even need to make my documentaries. You know? Like what? I slugged him. Yes, I know she did. But here, here's the thing. There's obvious value in defeating a measure like this. But if if we had defeated it 51 to 40 9 or 50 2 to 48, they would have felt emboldened to come back in a couple of years and try things a little different.

The fact that it lost 70 to 30, they're not coming back. I know, Luke, we played a clip from Luke Mayville and he, he didn't really say they were, but they were thinking they're not coming back because this may be the very end of Reclaim Idaho. Could be in my mind. They are. They got one. They got their one six years ago in Medicaid expansion.

Since then, the results have just been getting worse and worse and worse for them. And at some point, if you're smart and I think Luke Mayville smart in a lot of ways, I think he is a bright, bright young man. I think that he says, Holy cow, we went to an awful lot of work and it it turned into a disaster for us.

We're even further behind now because when you have that humiliating of a loss, you're even. You're even less potent as an organization than if you had done nothing. And so I think there's value in beating it by that big of a margin far beyond just beating it. Yeah. So all right let's take a break. 930 on Newstalk 107 92085421279 back after this a I love Facebook like Facebook or a Fino.

You got that one for free. Unsolicited. You're welcome there. They're days better. What you're going to do this weekend. Do you have a game every game Monday night. But I don't have a football game. Do you have a basketball game Monday night, 23rd is the next, basketball or football game. So, yeah, Monday night, I you know what I'm doing this weekend?

You're going to get mad at me. I'm working here. I talked to Shane yesterday. We have a big we've had massive things. Making the documentary was a nearly three week pause. Everything else kind of disruption. And then, of course, we had the election. And that created a tremendous amount of work to prepare for that. And I kind of sidelined a technical flip that we're doing here.

We're getting a new system that runs our radio stations, and, that's a big undertaking, and it works a little differently than what we're used to. So I'm meeting with my our tech guy tomorrow at ten ish. And we're just going to go through workflows and, make that'll be good though because it'll be quiet. That's why I did it.

Yeah. Like I said, I'm like, Shane, if we could meet here without a lot of distractions, I think we can get a lot done. Yeah. Shane's in super high demand. Like when he's here, there's a line of people following him around practically going, hey, can you fix this? Can you work on this? Can you get this done? And so I don't want to have to compete against that.

So wicked talented dude at what he he has found his calling. Very much so understands radio, which is half the battle. You can get somebody that understands tech, but that if they don't understand radio, you can't marry those two. Yeah. You can't. And he understands radio and he gets tech. Yeah. Quickly. By the way it doesn't take him hours.

Yeah. And so Shane is awesome. He's from California. Yeah. And he's been a great addition to the team here. Yeah. He still lives in California but he travels a lot. And, he'll spend a week, week and a half here at a time. So. So, Jeff, were you the one texting me yesterday saying you couldn't get on Facebook because, I mean, we've got 38 listeners, right?

Right now. We were up to about 45, I guess. I don't I'm wondering what's going on, why you're not getting it. That is a little weird because somebody was texting us on the text line yesterday saying it's broken. And I sent them the new feed and they said, no, that's broken. And I'm like, it can't be broken.

We've got like 60 people on here. Hey. So, okay, I'm going to ask you a question. Have you ever heard of the actress America Ferrera? Yeah, I know who that is. I have no idea who that is. Yeah, which is weird that I know who that is, but I do. Who is she? She had a sitcom for a while.

Probably six, seven years ago. Pre-COVID, maybe 2018. Yeah. She's kind of unique looking. That's probably why I remember her. Yeah, yeah, she kind of is. Did you see the story? She says she's leaving the country for because of Donald Trump. Okay, go. But I say she has to change your name. We'll be right back.

934 Newstalk 107 Neal Larson and Julie Mason and Grand Peak's prime mates. We love them so much. And you know what? You asked me what I'm doing this weekend. I told you, I think I'm going to add to that. I don't know what I'll have, but I have a lot of great selections in our freezer. Whether it's brought some kind of a dog, maybe I can still grill like it's going to be 40 something ish this weekend, right?

Yeah. And so maybe I'll grill a dog, maybe I'll have a steak. Maybe I'll do the ribs. We'll see. So I may I pulled out a couple of pounds of hamburger and I made meatloaf last night. So good. And I will attest you can make good meatloaf. I know that people kind of roll their eyes at meatloaf now.

It can be yummy. So I made that. And then I noticed that I believe it's, it's either wings or legs, chicken wings or legs that are already seasoned that I've got in there that need to be used. So maybe that's going to be this weekend. Oh, that's a good idea. A very good idea. Well, Grand Peaks primates, if you go to GG primates.com you can see all of their what they offer packages and specials.

And then you can do what Julian is just calling your order. You can order it online too, but you can also call in your order. And they're so good because a lot of times you'll have questions, can I modify this or can I add that? And they're they, they're great. You're going to have new friends with it too.

Yeah. They're awesome. Okay. Let's go to the phones. 208542 179 Caller how are you today? I'm doing good. Thanks for having me on. I just wanted to say, I'm very excited about prop one being defeated. But I did want to caution you all your language about, abortion being okay in some situations. I think that's kind of a soft, new kind of language that allowed for a state like Montana to go read.

But then still, in trying abortion rights in their, constitution. So, yeah, I it is either a human life or it isn't. So thank you for having me on. But yeah. So we really need to think that through carefully. I and I don't disagree with you, and I didn't I didn't want to imply that, I feel like if we're going to have these exceptions for women, let's not make it hard in those instances because the the law matters.

And if if we truly say, especially in the life of the mother or rape or incest, that we allow abortion, then we need to allow them. And that's the point that I, that I was making. So yeah, but I mean, but I still don't understand how that's like it's either a human life or it isn't. And so whenever we say that it is human life, but then it isn't in certain situations or it's it's allowable, then I think that emboldens moderates and Democrats to say, well, yeah, let's just keep going, because that is the reason why, you know, we have Trump wins, but then you have six states that say, yeah, we want abortion,

codified in our state constitution, which is pretty, pretty interesting to think about that that can happen. So I want to I want to ask you a question because I think this is, this is a really interesting, topic to discuss here. If, you're in your is your position no abortion any time ever. No. I think that the pro-life mission has, has gotten us so far.

But the abolitionists that are happening now, like the abolitionist rising movement, that you can look it up on YouTube, I would say abolitionism is the future. And. Okay, but what what is that, a life or an infant? Okay, I understand what you're saying. So yeah, your position is no abortion ever. Yeah. Amen. Okay. And that's how far we've come.

And like, you have to understand, like, is there some certain situations where slavery is allowed or is and say, well, this state we're going to allow it and it's going to be fine or because is it a human or is it not? That's what you have to come down to. And so that I am an abolitionist, and I think that the future of Republicans should be abolitionism.

So I'm very excited to see I people are pushing towards that. But when you have people like you pulling back, I'm like, oh no, no, no, I'm not tonight. No, no. Here's, here's where I'm at and I and I want to I guess this is why I'd like to have a little bit of a, a deeper discussion with you.

Do you care about how this turns out, or do you simply care about holding fast to your position? In other words? And I'll ask it this way, I'll just put it all on the table here. If you take this, this position that is very much strident and I appreciate that the the moral clarity that you're bringing, I really do.

But if you bring that moral clarity, if you push more people out of the pro-life movement because you say there are no exceptions whatsoever, you're actually inadvertently feeding a stronger pro-choice movement by doing that. Does that matter to you? If that's your approach? See, I don't believe that the hypothetical you just claim is actually true. I think it's the other way around.

I think that when people look at us and say, well, though these people, they believe in some situations, but they don't they don't believe in in other situations. That is, the moderate slate swayed the left. That's happening in the Republican Party, where over the last 50 years we're like, you know what? Yeah, maybe it is okay here. Maybe it isn't really a life until it's a certain week.

And then when we do that, then you do have states like Florida almost codifying it. But then even Missouri like Missouri. You think that that just blows my mind. The Missouri and Montana can say, yes, this is the right that should be in our Constitution when they are typically red states. So it's just blows my mind. So I think that we really need to think that through carefully.

I, I well, I appreciate that, Juliana. Yeah. That's what I was going to say. I mean my stance actually matches his. I have said before from this microphone, I think that you can really heal by having a child. And I don't I don't agree across the board that it is the right solution for every woman who gets raped to end the life of the child.

Agreed. I believe that there can be greater healing by carrying that child to term, and giving that child to someone who is currently childless. So I, I morally align with the caller. However, we have to function in a realm where we can get as much accomplished as we can. Yeah, and currently that was their only winning position was abortion.

Yeah. And the harder we push against that, we are going to create more difficulties for us to get things done towards getting to the place where the caller is talking about. Yeah. So I and I would just add to this, I think you've said it just perfectly. And to use Ronald Reagan's language, 80% of the loaf is better than no loaf at all.

Or half a loaf is better than no loaf at all. I don't know, I've heard it. Yeah, I don't know how big the love is, but, it's a bun. It's not even a loaf. I, I would love a culture where we just didn't do it. It would be morally abhorrent to deliberately end the life of an unborn child in any in any context.

However, if that is your approach and you demand that of the law and you demand that of the culture, you're working against yourself. So let's go for 80% of the loaf. What we can get right now, the rest of this journey is probably a cultural one rather than a legal one. And I think that you're going to have even the most concerted.

He was talking about Montana, he's talking about Missouri. I think the reason why the abortion issue is sort of moderated on that end is because of this strident approach here, where you're going to tell women, even if you've been raped, we're going to force you to carry that child. Even if your life is in danger, we're going to force you to carry that child.

Whether it's morally right or not. You're scaring them out of the pro-life movement. They will not be part of it. And they will look at that as a as a threat and hostile to them. And we have to at least appreciate that. And so I'd much rather get 80% of the loaf. Let's ban let's ban all convenience abortions.

Let's save those babies and we'll find other ways to work for the rest of the journey here. Yes. Yeah. And it is never going to be fast. It's just not going to be fast. No. It took forever to get rid of Roe v Wade. That was that was put in place when? The year we were born, 1973. Yeah.

It took that long. And we get impatient because we care about babies. We care about the murder of these children. But we have to take it in these slow increments. And just because they codified that doesn't mean it can't be undone. It is a shame that they codified it, and it is deeply disturbing to both me and Neal that our, our, our country believes that that's a yeah, I just can't understand that 50% of the country wants to fight for this, but they think differently than me.

Yeah. So I've got to do my best strategic work to help change their mind. Yeah. And telling them they're stupid and pushing back against them with every bit of force I have is not going to get it done. Yeah, it's a long game and it's got to be strategically maneuvered, I agree. Next call. Welcome to the show. How are you today?

I just had to call you this morning. I just had my fourth great great granddaughter at 7:00 this morning, 7 pounds. Oh I have two more coming in the next 2 to 3 months. Congratulations. And I want to scream. Yes, I bet you do. I bet you do. My, my, granddaughter just called me and told me, and she said everything went great, and she's going to go up and take pictures and bring it back to me and my parade.

Donald Trump would get in because I want him to grow up in a healthy, safe world. Yeah, well, good for you. Can I ask you a question? Because a great, great grandchild is that's a five generation span. How old are you? I'll be 91 on December 21st. That's amazing. You sound amazing. I love it, I love it, yeah.

Oh, can't wait to get Ahold of her. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's, it's exciting because. Oh, my gosh, you know, and, I think the other two are supposed to be girls, too. And I told them, we need boys. We need two more boys. Carry on. The family numbering up. Yeah, yeah. That's great. Well. Thank you. You sound like a spunky, great, great grandma.

We appreciate your call this morning. We've got to break, though. We're past time. 945 more calls on the other side. So when we're talking about abortion like that when it is I know in Idaho and I, I'm sure there's other boundaries than what I'm saying. So I know in Idaho that if you claim rape there I believe.

And jeez if, if Kari if you're listening correct me if I'm wrong. I think that the police report has to be filed before you go to, like, there's supposed to be an order to things, so the police report has to be filed, and then you have to have the procedure done within six weeks. Not from the filing of the police report you the day of conception.

Okay. So that is a really tight window. Now if I'm going to argue the other side, there are tests, over-the-counter tests that can be accurate at two weeks post conception. Yeah they've gotten really good at him. So now a step further. This is why when Idaho set up those strict rules I said I wanted the plan B pill to stay in place in Idaho.

Yeah that does not match my stance at all. Yeah I would prefer there be no plan B pill. But the reason that I said I wanted the plan B pill in place in Idaho with those strict, restrictions is you can't rip everything away like that. We haven't trained the culture yet. Yeah, we got to wean them off.

Yes. Yeah. And having plan B available is one way to slowly wean them off this abortion that they treat like a religion. Yeah. And at least help in those early early situations. So what I'm talking about is your 16 year old daughter comes home and she's been date raped. One of the things you can immediately do is go to Walgreens the very next day, and you can have a plan B pill in your hand within minutes.

Yeah, okay. That takes it out of that ObGyn ends hands. Yeah. And I'm not saying I love that. I'm just saying that's an option that I want to keep in place until we change the culture. Yeah. So I okay. Can I go back to the guys call for just a moment? Yeah. And, and I just want to kind of walk through this for a moment, because I believe life begins at the at the moment of conception.

However, let's say life begins at the moment of conception. All agree there is ethical differences between an abortion that happens at a week or two and an abortion that happens at late term 100%. So we can't we cannot create equivalency throughout the entire spectrum of the pregnancy. The ability to feel pain is an important ethical benchmark. A heartbeat clear evidence of human life is an important benchmark.

Some level of self-awareness is an important benchmark. The fact that there's an entity in there experiencing something is an important benchmark. We don't know exactly when all of these things happen. We're getting close on the heartbeat. But a lot of these things, we're not quite sure when when it begins. But I will say the ethical considered, the landscape of the ethical consideration, changes from the moment of conception to the moment of birth.

And we have to recognize that. Yeah, we do. So I do think that in the cases of, yeah, they're just so harsh, the rape and incest thing is so incredibly breaking, so heartbreaking. And let's put it into perspective, the CDC, this is CDC numbers. This isn't this isn't some, you know, pro-life, group putting out their numbers or anything.

CDC numbers are that life of the mother. Rape and incest are less combined. Are less than 1% of the abortions that are performed. Yeah. And remember, Planned Parenthood performs roughly between 800 and 900 abortions a day in America. So for every 110 to 120 abortions, maybe one of them are from rape. Yeah. Or from incest or from life or.

Yeah. You're not getting one life of the mother is not being handled. The Planned Parenthood. Yeah. So we we are forming rules around these very unique situations. What I'd like to see is forced to start talking about those other 109 abortions. Why didn't you do something prior to having sex? Yeah, I agreed seven 950 limited time remaining this hour on the Neal Larson Show.

So let's go right to the phones. And, I believe this is our friend Carrie Hanks. Julie. Hi, Carrie. It sure is. Good morning, Neal and Julie. Good to see you. I'm still. Yeah, I'm still smiling from the election night, and and I want to say I really appreciated you guys having the election night watch party because it was it was really fun to to be cheering with other people and, and just seeing how many friends that we have out there.

So that was really fun. Yeah, it was fun to come together. I loved it, it was. Yeah. You know, several people helped in Jefferson, Madison, Fremont area. We got a lot of signs out. We did Facebook post and and yeah, it was about 85% in our area. So that was really cool. So I just want to, remind your listeners, please stay involved because, you know, we're we're experiencing this high.

But, for example, the 2025 legislative session starts in January, and we need to pay attention to how our, legislators are voting and make sure that, you know, we keep Idaho the great place that it is. And there are there's several groups that have kind of form that we're, you know, we're trying to get people informed.

And and so, for example, when, I, I went and to we call lip Drop, I went and dropped a bunch of like about 200, door hangers in Saint Anthony. And I asked, I put it out of my little group, I said, can anybody help? And two people volunteered right away. And so they helped. And so that's the kind of thing we need is, is, you know, there's some groups Jefferson County Patriots is just formed recently.

We have East Idaho Patriots that's working. And and I'm trying to get Fremont County Patriots working. So and I know John Crowder has an amazing group going in the Pocatello area. So you know, if people want to get involved and they can't figure out where to go or something, they can message me on Carrie hanks.com, because I'll just kind of send them to wherever.

But, you know, please stay involved because, we need an engaged people that are voting. So for sure. And to put that in and and again, thank you for all your work because I did share your documentary and I think it was very helpful. Well, Carrie, thank you and thank you. Nobody works as hard as you do. And you work tirelessly and the results that we saw on Tuesday night, no doubt, are at least in part due to your efforts in those areas.

So thank you. Yeah, I appreciate that. And you know, we if we work together, we we can do a lot. So yeah, yeah, I think a lot of us did some great work and have a great weekend. You too. And you too. All right. 285421279. Let's go to our next caller. We have about a minute. Caller go ahead okay.

This is I have so many opinions. But the one thing that I wanted to mention when you talked about the mouse on the plane. Yeah. What would be worse than that is a skunk. A skunk would be bad. That's true. But I'd be way worse. And oh, you know what color more the appropriate size that I was expecting Neal to respond with.

Like, you could you could disguise a skunk and bring them on as a pet in a pet carrier and maybe get away with it. But, you know, Neal's was a serial killer or a gorilla, so, you know, so you could hide from them. Yeah. Not as. Yeah, that's true. Anyway, that's that's I like no, we don't have time.

Okay. Well thank you. Thank you for that. That's the that's the best way to end the show. That is a good way to end the show. All right. We're going to we're going to be back. We will have one very quick final segment when we come back. And of course, we'll be on Facebook Live for a few minutes as well.

On Newstalk 179. I think that was one of my most favorite interactions with you because you you're like watching. I was completely, innocently, genuinely answering your question and you're like, what would be was a gorilla would be like, I wasn't even trying to be funny. But yeah. And then too, I'll find the can I just find it? Sure.

It was like so great. I was having that moment where like, is he in this conversation with me? So I was like, okay, yeah.

Well, you didn't put any parameters on it. So I'm like, I don't in a conversation like, what is going to be on a plane? I know obviously a gorilla is not going to be on the plane. Oh, I know that now. Like I just was like I took the I took the let's see all that.

Oh, that's not good. Dan Bongino over the last two years, what's stimulating talk for East Idaho? People were not excited. The Neal Larson show. What would be worse than a mouse on a plane? A gorilla? Okay.

Okay.

I so wish we visual of my face. I know, I know, I know, it's it was probably like, oh, okay, okay, alligator. That's. You were asking, is it weekday mornings, 8 to 10. I was thinking something more the size a serial killer. I was thinking like a snake or a tarantula. Okay, okay. A serial killer.

Oh, boy. Greatest ever, greatest ever. Okay. Yeah. It's funny, we've had a few comments about that promo, too. Yeah, it's. I good. Okay, let's see. We're going to have, we're like, take out this return rejoinder and we'll have like eight seconds. So we'll wrap it up and say goodbye. Okay. And what are you doing this weekend?

Anything fun? No. State conference. Oh, gotcha. Up there or here? Yeah. I've never done a state conference at a college ward like that. So we're going to see. See how that goes. Yeah, yeah. When I was in college, state conference meant I went home. Yeah. So like, we'll see what it's like at college. That's funny. I can watch some football.

Maybe I need to work. I know there's always extra that needs to be done when I take time off. And if I'm going to Arizona for Thanksgiving, yeah, I'll need to do a little work, so I'll probably do that. Cheer. And that's going to be a great week everyone have.