10.24.2024 -- NLS -- "The Ranked Choice Voting Trap: A Recipe for Election Chaos?"

On this episode with Neal and Julie, they delve into the complex topic of ranked choice voting (RCV), focusing on its potential impact on elections. Neal discusses a viral social media post that uses a food analogy to explain the process, but he quickly shifts the conversation to the fundamental flaws he sees in RCV. He argues that traditional voting methods, such as the boarda method, more accurately reflect voter preferences without distorting the results.

Julie adds that the goal of RCV proponents, particularly in the context of Prop 1, is to sway elections in favor of liberal candidates who might not succeed in a binary system. Neal expresses concern that RCV complicates the process unnecessarily, making it harder for voters to understand and making it more difficult for candidates to clearly distinguish themselves. Julie then compares the system to professional sports teams, noting how it would be absurd for fans of one team to select players for their rivals—a metaphor illustrating how RCV takes control away from voters.

They discuss the importance of giving candidates a period to campaign against a single opponent, which RCV undermines by forcing voters to juggle multiple choices. The conversation also touches on the broader implications of RCV for both local and national elections, including the possibility of civil unrest depending on the outcomes. Neal emphasizes the need for traditional voting methods to avoid such complications and to ensure the electorate’s voice is truly heard.

Finally, Neal and Julie urge listeners to remain engaged, suggesting that getting people out to vote on Election Day is far more powerful than simply placing a sign in your yard.

Transcript

Hello, Idaho. It's 807 on this Thursday. How are you today? We got a lot of dynamic, interesting topics that are happening on the national level, on the local level, on the statewide level, we have a potpourri, and I want to welcome you to the program. If you'd like to reach us right now via text, the fall River propane call and text line is (208)542-1079.

So I had an interesting stretch yesterday because I wanted to find out as much as I could about ranked choice voting. And, you may have seen this viral thing, those of you and I think this is very likely among talk radio listeners, this viral social media post about desert. And I think this might be a little poke at Todd Achilles because he had a computer model of four different deserts, but they were all actual real deserts.

And for him, I think he wanted it to look like, oh, this is just how the system works. But I pointed this out a while ago. I'm like, that's really not the system, though, because when you have candidates, you have candidates you really like and then some in a lot of races, you'll have counties you don't like at all.

But he had presented for deserts that all that are universally liked, and you just might have different shades of how much you liked them. But that's not how politics works. We have deep contrast between the two parties in between the political choices. So I didn't really like that. So somebody came up and said, well, how about this? And they pitted brownies against apple pie, against brussel sprouts and against peas.

So I saw this on online on social media. And it's actually an accurate post of how the votes get tallied and, and re assigned and allotted. And even though Brussel sprouts comes in a distant third place, there's like 17 first place votes. Brussel sprouts ends up winning peas comes in last. So peas gets eliminated. Peas ballots gets they get re apportioned out to those.

And a whole bunch of second place votes go to brussel sprouts which makes it competitive down the road. And so I thought okay obviously this is very problematic. If Brussels Sprouts is winning. Because, you know, most people don't like brussel sprouts, but that's really not the issue that's at play here. A couple of things emerged in the examination of this.

And by the way, we're going to get to the the Rigby Beating video that is become very, very viral. We will talk about that. I know that a number of people are grieving and mourning the loss of grizzly. 399 and so we may, touch on that, although I'm so hesitant to talk about this, that just simply because it there's just lots of potential for it being a problematic discussion, but that doesn't mean we shy away from it.

So we, we may get to that. Also, lots of presidential stuff to get to as well, but I want to finish this point. It was very, very obvious. And there was this stark reality yesterday that ranked choice voting truly is the spirit airlines of voting methods. It is. It has a terrible reputation, if you will dive in enough to do the research among social choice theorists.

Those are the people that, they study voting systems of all kinds, not just American voting systems, but also all sorts of them. How do societies make choices about their leaders and policies and everything else? Ranked choice voting has a terrible reputation because it's what they call pathological. It produces wonky results at a higher frequency than other legitimate voting systems.

So I thought this and I'm like, well, why would we voluntarily choose an inferior system, a system that is pathological and that does provide these somewhat anomalous results from time to time? And the answer is this, that it's it's not a bug. It's a feature in a state like Idaho where the vast majority of the electorate, I would say somewhere between 60 and 70% is center right to hard core conservative.

I don't like saying far right because it conjures all sorts of imagery, and I that's not part of this discussion, but anywhere from center right to hard core conservative. That is somewhere around two thirds of the electorate in Idaho. So having said that, when the left needs to have a system that has anomalies because the anomalies will almost always be Democrats getting elected or liberals getting elected.

So here's what I did. There is another way, actually, to calculate a ranked choice system. And it's called the boredom method. And it's a very simple and straightforward method that you don't need multiple rounds. Let me explain it to you very quick. I can do it in 10s choice one gets four points, choice two gets three, choice three gets two points, and your last choice gets one.

So it's a full measure of how what value you put into each candidate. Now it has problems that it it just has problems. But it it's not nearly as problematic is the way this proposition will require ranked choice ballots to be counted. So when you go through and Frank Vandersloot debated Hyrum Erickson yesterday, I don't know how many of you caught that, but Frank highlighted this problem with the the four desserts, two of them being brussel sprouts and peas and I thought, okay, I'm a little curious here.

So if we take all of these vote totals, how do the desserts fare in the Borda method? You want to know how this turned out? I don't think anybody else has this or has done this, at least not that I've seen first initially, the way, Hyrum Erickson wants it to be counted, the way Luke Mayville and Todd Achilles want it to be counted.

Brussel sprouts wins. And then I believe brownies wins. Maybe. No, no, brussel sprouts wins. There's no second, third, fourth. Okay. It just it wins. It gets to 50% first. So then you think, well, okay, but these legitimate voting systems all should be close in how it turns out, right? Wrong. Let me explain to you how the four desserts turned out with the Borda method.

And contrasting that with brussel sprouts. Winning in this four way contest counted the way Hyrum Erickson and the proponents of prop one want it counted under the board, a method where every candidate gets a full measure of their support from the voting public, or at least the accurate measure of support. I should say that. Guess what? Guess who wins or which dessert wins?

Brownies wins with 290 points. Apple pie comes in a very close second with 287 in third place. Any guesses? Peas 225 votes or excuse me points. And in very last place under the board of method Brussel sprouts with 195 points. So one voting method gets brussel sprouts. The win in a really wonkish way. But with the board of method it comes in dead last and I.

I could argue on multiple points why the Borda method is preferable to, the, the the way they want to count. I don't know what the name of the way they're counting is called, but, the Board of Method is by far more a measurement of where the electorate is and what their desires are, because every single candidate will get whatever level of support each voter wants for them.

But that's not how proposition one wants to count. Proposition one actually ignores votes. And here's how. In the brussel sprouts analogy, when peas loses, they take only the peas ballots and then re apportion them. So the the second choice of the peas ballots. And when I say peas ballots, I mean those ballots where peas was the first choice.

They're apportion the second place choice, but they ignore the second place desires of the browning ballots. The apple pie ballots, and even the brussel sprouts ballots. So if you voted with the majority, your ballot gets ignored. Or the, I should say, the plurality. I don't mean majority 50%. But if your ballot, if you chose the plurality winner in the first round, then you're not voting in the second round.

Let that let that set in. In other words, you've apportioned support for a candidate that is being ignored in the second round. Are you are you? I hope you're following what I'm saying here. And this didn't really quite set in with me until I watched, the debate yesterday with Frank and and Hyrum. So you get rewarded. Your ballot gets more paid attention to if you vote for the loser, if you vote for Pease, in this case, because peas got the fewest votes, those few ballots are like, okay, we're going to pay attention to these ballots and we're going to re apportion the second place.

But all the other ballots that they they're not even looked at at that point. When you see this, you see the shell game that they're playing and you understand that it is absolutely. They have chosen an inferior system in order to get their people in at a higher frequency. They need the pathology that ranked choice voting brings in order to get their liberal candidates in that could never get elected in a binary choice and in a board a scored choice.

I cannot warn you enough that what you're getting is a lousy, terrible, no good rigged voting system. If you vote for ranked choice voting. And quite frankly, now an A yes, I dropped the documentary a couple of days ago. It is doing fantastically well. If you want to watch it. It's super easy. Just text archive for ranked choice voting to our, call and text line (208) 542-1079.

We'll send you the link back and it talks somewhat about this. I, you probably hopefully you know what a Condorcet winner is, which ultimately that's probably the best we could do there. Even there are even deficiencies with that. Somebody gets treated unfairly at some point in any voting system. But the best you could possibly do is if the candidate exists and the candidate doesn't always exist.

The one candidate that could beat every other candidate in the race in a head to head, in a binary choice. If you can find the candidate that could beat each, each one of the other candidates in a 1 to 1, that to me is the gold standard of who we should choose to represent us. And I'm telling you, that's the the Condor say winner is what they are trying to avoid.

That's who they want to actually eliminate in the early rounds. So their people have a shot in the later rounds. They're skeezy. They're devious. They are deceptive. They're dishonest. They're doing everything they can to gloss this over. And they are throwing little talking points out there that sound really good on the surface. But when you dive in and you understand what they're doing, you ought to be very, very offended and angry that they are manipulating the way they're look, Todd, Achilles is a tech guy.

He understands the sea. I guarantee you. I could sit down with Todd Achilles. He would understand every last thing that I'm talking about today. They are giving you a very surface version of this. Look it up. You know, you don't have to take my word for it. Look it up for yourself and see what the reputation is of ranked choice voting in social choice theory.

It's terrible. That's why I call it the spirit airlines of voting systems. It's unreliable, it's wonky. You get things you didn't expect. And man, I'm looking forward to November 6th. Holy cow. And furthermore, if you saw the, the debate yesterday, I want to correct just a couple of things. Hiram Erickson was dead wrong. He said that Sarah Palin lost by ten points.

She lost by three points. The final tally in Alaska with the ranked lousy ranked choice scheme that they have, it was 51.5 to 48.5, so I don't know where he gets this ten point spread between Palin and Begich or excuse me, Palin and Tola. So that was an issue also, this idea of an instant runoff. And this will be my last point.

Then we'll go to the break, we'll open up the phone lines, we'll talk about other issues, a promise we're going to get to more because you're probably as sick of this as I am. But it is so important that we get this out. He they talk about the instant runoff like, well, it's going to save money and it's it's just more efficient.

And you you don't have to come back a month later and vote and blah, blah, blah. That all sounds nice. Like I'm all for saving money and and all of that, but it is not the same. I want I want to point out the very key differences here. In a runoff election, you take the top two vote getters and then a month later you run them as a binary choice.

There are good reasons for this because you you've got to get to 50%. That's the whole point of your runoff. That's the whole point of the runoff is to get to 50%. And so you want to end with a one on one. Furthermore, you want a period and a window of time for a candidate to contrast themselves with a singular candidate because, it's like almost jumping from 3D or regular chess to 3D chess when you have these multiple candidates and you start ranking and then you, you decide to count them a certain way, all of a sudden you've introduced a whole bunch of new variables.

But when all the electorate can vote in a binary choice and you can guarantee that one candidate gets to 50%, you have all sorts of benefits, you have clarity, you have trust. You have a candidate who wins with a very clear majority and therefore a mandate. And we want our can. Even Democrats, I say this wherever you want your candidates to win and go off to Boise or wherever it is with a mandate you don't want them going with, with cloudy doubts and concerns about how they got there.

That's just that's a that's bad karma. So you want that month. You want that binary choice. You want that clarity between two candidates and that contrast between two choices. And it's important that you have two choices. Because in a democracy, getting to 50% plus one is the threshold. And you that's how you do it is with two choices.

Now, sometimes you have candidates that get to 50% in a multi field race. Absolutely. That can happen. And in those cases more power to them. That's even more impressive. And they have even more of a mandate in those in those moments. But the whole purpose of a runoff is to create that binary choice with the top two vote winners.

It's not perfect. Don't don't make the mistake of me saying it's perfect, but it is far better than what they are proposing. It's 827 on this Thursday. We'll take a quick break and be back after this.

All right. It's 830 on Newstalk 179. Nielsen and Julie Mason. (208) 542-1079. If you'd like to join us on the program this morning. Julie, I had a thought. Would it be unethical if people wrote the title of my documentary on a sticky note and then went around and put it on the vote yes signs? So when the homeowners come out and they see the sticky note, they're like, oh, I better watch this and see what this is all about.

Oh, you're assigning a lot of open heartedness to some people. I don't think that they've got an open heart. They're all in. You think? Although I will say, and I'm not contradicting you here. I bet in the last 2 or 3 days we've had 3 or 4 examples of people texting and saying, there are people that voted early.

They voted yes on prop one, and they're now regretting it because they're getting the whole story. And I think those are people who didn't have signs in their yard. That's my point. Probably true. Yeah, yeah, I think these are people who had no idea what they were doing, went and read the language. And this is what Senator Rish warned us about when we conducted our interview with him at his headquarters here in Idaho Falls.

He warned that here's the problem. People like to say yes to things. It's our human nature. So if you don't know what it's about and you look at it and you kind of very quickly read it and maybe not read the whole thing, you might be gone. All right. Yes. And you put it down and then when someone starts explaining it to you then you're, you realize I did the wrong thing.

Yeah, yeah, that's that's true. Which I will say, that's why I rarely will vote early, because I want as much time as possible to make my decision because things can change. I can't I don't think you can. If you have voted early and you absolutely regret it, can you go to the county clerk and say, can you destroy my ballot?

I'd like to vote again, I doubt it. I don't think you can. I doubt that, man. That's a shame. That's a shame. You need to be an informed voter. That's the reality I know right now if you absolutely are confident that you know what you want to do, like you talked about voting early like you know you're considering it.

I'm just nervous about our Tuesday because yeah I know as I've been to a point of letting our listeners know we're holding an election watch party that night. Yeah, we'll be at the snake River Events Center there at Shiloh Inn from 7 to 10, 7 to 1030. It's kind of open house. You just pop in, come say hi.

Hi. Watch the election results with us. I'm worried about my time management that day, so I'm considering voting early just simply because of that. Yeah. And that's. That may be a really good idea. Really good idea. Okay. (208) 542-1079 we're going to go to the phones and let's go to this one caller. Good morning. How are you? Good morning.

Mark and Julie, I appreciate you taking my call. I hate to change the subject, but in a way it does have to do with it. I'm not sure. I haven't listened to all your morning broadcasts, but, last week at the Stand up for Idaho meeting, Sheriff Holtz of Bonneville County, Sheriff, was asked the question about, Dodd 5240 .01, which basically negates the, posse comitatus, of of, act of 1878.

And he had heard about it, but he didn't. He was going to review it. But have you discussed this or not about this? I will it's not really on our radar screen right now. I, I wish I, I, I mean, I know I've heard of the posse comitatus thing and the, you know, it's like the declaring of a police state, all of that.

But that's not really a thing we're dealing with right now. But I do appreciate you calling in. And maybe, you know, after the election when things have calmed down, we could revisit this, but we're to it. Yeah. We're not we're not going to take that up right now. So (208) 542-1079 but I appreciate the passion. I really do.

So yeah. Okay. Julie yes. Someone said is the Vandersloot Eriksen debate available. Yeah. I think if you go to East Idaho News they've got it on their YouTube channel. So yeah you can watch it when like almost 90 minutes. I also think the vote counting last night between Hyrum Eriksen and Nick Contos. Yeah is available on Rumble.

Oh that's true. Yeah. Yeah. So you could go there as well if you want to. Fine. How complicated that was. Once you're done watching my brand new documentary, Unholy Alliance, you should go check that out. Which is very easy to get because you can send r c v to (208) 542-1079. Yeah. And we got a bunch more this morning.

Yeah. So great. All right let's go to our next caller. Welcome to the show. Good morning. Good morning guys. Hey, I, I thought of one way to, explain this, process in relation to the instant runoff mentality. And it just occurred to me, Neal, while you were talking about, the comparison here a few minutes ago, I really think a good simplified way to explain this so people could really understand the impact and the intent of this ranked choice.

Voting is real simple and instant runoff situation. So you have five candidates, and the number one candidate gets 42% of the total vote. Number two candidate gets 40%. In effect. What these guys are trying to do is obviously push their guy to the top and bypass the number one choice to the voters and essentially what they're doing is they're taking the the a portion of the three losing the three lowest voters and adding them all to their guy to push him past the number one.

So the number one guy ends the race with 42% and their guy gets the yeah, 50%. And they get the candidate they want instead of the candidate the voters want. Yeah, it's it's about it's about controlling the outcome and embracing the voice of the voters. And it it's it is it is incredible to me how so many people are being fooled by this.

But in a nutshell, like you pointed out, they're not being honest about how they're doing it and what their intent is. And number two, they're hiding it behind the open primary portion of the initiative, which is dishonest as can be. And regarding regarding the open primary thing, one thing I wish that they would do is quit calling the primaries and election and start addressing as it truly is, and that is a candidate selection process process.

Instead of instead of actually being a vote as in an election and real simply as any team, be it in politics or otherwise, any team should have the right to choose their participants on their team before they ever go into the competition that they're involved in, whether it's whether it's a professional team drafting its players for the upcoming season, like the NFL, why in the world would the Eagles fans be allowed to select the players for the Redskins?

Why would the Cowboys fans be allowed to select the players? For the Giants? It's insanity and you know, I mentioned before that I'm independent of never registered for any political party. I'm a very, very conservative person. I've never voted in a primary. I never had an intention to to vote in the primary. That should be the team's decision which players they put on the field to represent that team.

And and I just go ahead. Well, I want to ask you a question, because we had, we had our sign giveaway, the snag a sign event that we did on Friday had someone come up, friend that we've known for a long time, and she's also independent. And she said, don't speak for me like she's one of those 270,000 people that they talk about.

And caller sounds like you are two. Are you kind of go, look, I don't you don't need to carry my water and you don't need to speak for me. I'll make my own choice. And I made the choice to be independent. And I understand the consequences of that. Yeah. And that's I agree with that point. And you know, to further that point, the entire process of the open primary and of the ranked choice voting is to take the voice away from everybody, not just us independents, but especially the conservatives in this state who are registered Republicans who have been, I won't say in control, but in the majority of and again, representation when

it comes to an election means you put the candidates you put the you put the officeholders in place that represent the majority of the people in any given race statewide, nationwide or otherwise. And this system is designed to take away that majority representation. Plain simple. Right. And candidates were never designed to be an amalgam of the voter desires.

It was majority wins. That's what it's supposed to play. So. Well that's that's right. Well, if you go on the field, if you go on the field and you score the most points, you win the game. Well that you go to the ballot box and you and I don't care how close the race is, you got more points.

You win the game. Well. And I also want to say the the amalgamation happens at the state House. That's where you get the amalgam of what the voters want. It shouldn't happen in individual races. Yeah. Particularly individual districts that are, that are so small in comparison to the statewide and, you know, lawmaking. Yeah, it's what they're trying to do.

And again this feeds right across what you guys just said. But also back to the point I was making. It's about small groups of people taking control and making the largest impactful decisions for the process of our state governments and federal governments. Yeah, it's it's not it's not about the way our system is built. It's not about the way the constitution of the nation and the constitutions of the state are intended to function.

They are trying to, you know, at federal level, at state level, and even down into some county levels. They are trying to change our our government system into what they want it to be so that they can be the ruling class, and the rest of us will be the subjects of that ruling class. Yeah. I you know, I hate to oversimplify it, but that's really what this is about, is and part of the strategy here, and this is something that, you know, when you watch for a while and listen to people, you can recognize this part of the strategy of the left is to wear down the other side to, to, to, disenfranchize, to

disillusion, to discourage the other side from participating in the process of government, which gives them more control over everything that they want to control, because people get worn out and tired of being lied to, disillusioned, beaten down, and being told that there's no point in going into voting because they're going to do what they want to do. You can't make a difference anyway that their objective is to take control through that attrition process of beating you down and making you believe you can't have any voice or impact.

Yeah, that's you know, great point. Thank you for that. 2854 279. And so maybe it's by design, Julie, that this system seems confusing. Your part is very simple. You just have to count to four. That's what they say. But leave the counting up test because it requires a complex computer algorithm to do this and, and leave the, the molding and the structuring of the clients or the candidates up to us because all you, all you all that's important is for you to count to four.

Let us do the other work. Yeah. Which creates that that feeling of separation that the caller just talked about. All right. Next caller, welcome to the show. How are you today? I'm doing pretty good. How are you? Good. Hanging in there. Good. I want to thank you for that documentary. Oh, that was fantastic. Thank you. Really helped me explain that whole system to explain parts, but I didn't understand and help me explain that to some other people.

It was wonderful. But I was calling about was that, video up and Rigby. Yeah. School. If you notice, there were kids that had their phones out before that fight started. Yeah, they were already recording it. I mean, that that that was not a random event that was planned. Yeah. And that's, that's I think part of what upsets me about it, along with everything that you have mentioned, that she is this girl had obviously announced and told other people, this is what I'm going to do.

Yeah. And it happened. And that girl, I should have been charged with assault. She really should have been. The police need to be involved. That's her third time doing something like that up there in that same school, right? Yeah. I wasn't aware of that, but I do believe the police are involved, that there are they've they've turned all this over to the police and there is an investigation going on.

Okay, good. Yeah. It just it's unbelievable. I mean, that that stuff goes on in that way. I found it very upsetting. I mean, my my grandchildren are getting close to that age now, and I hate to think of them having put up with that. Yeah. It's, Anyway. Yeah. No, thank thank you very much. I appreciate that.

My heart breaks, too, for the just the hostility that our kids are our having to grow up in and navigate and not just the real life physical threats, but just online. Every everything feels hostile right now. I think it is a hostile environment, which is why when we initially talked about this early on, I said, I know the way I would have reacted was not the way that that video.

The kids in that video reacted. But they're living in a different world than I grew up in. Yeah, this is a different I'll be honest. It's so on on fast forward right now. This is a different world than my kids grew up in. Yeah. And my kids are 30, 27 and 24. I agreed, like the pace at which it's changing.

I think it's significantly different now than it was even five years ago. Yeah. Yep. All right. We've got a break. It's 845 on Newstalk 10792085421079 is the number if you'd like to reach us, and we'll take more of your calls when we return on the Nielsen show. It's 851 on Newstalk 179 (208) 542-1079 is the number. If you'd like to join us on the program.

And we're going to go right back to the phones. Hi, caller. Welcome to the show. How are you today? Good. How are you? Good, good. What's up doc. When you talked about prop one people go on. Well I want to go back and change my vote. Yeah, but the same thing occurred to me that when the Democrats, if they can manage to vote, come all and they're all going to when they start coming for all their property and, pay equalization or something and they go, oh, wait a minute, we got you.

There you go. Hey, we appreciate it, but we need your stuff. Yeah. That's true. A lot of useful idiots out there right now. It's true. Yeah, yeah. No. Make me get back. Yeah. No, thank, Thank you. I think that's an apt comparison. I think nationwide, too, there will be some people that vote for her, and then when they don't get their their loan forgiveness on a $20,000, a small business loan to get your, your small business started doesn't happen.

Yeah. Because she's I it's it's patently illegal to only offer that loan to black people or to Hispanics. Yeah, but that's what she's promising people. So that's kind of like the I think there's going to be some buyer's remorse by a few people. If she is the one elected in 12 days. Okay. So, let me ask. I only want to vet the the political dynamics of this for just a minute because it is patently it.

Number one, it's discriminatory. It's basically saying whites need not apply. Asians need not apply. You know, and we don't want to ever go back to that society again. But that's what this, this is however the people that would be swayed by that because I think about the increasing number of black voters who are supporting Trump or at the very least, not supporting Kamala, they can see this for the base that it is like, I feel like, yeah, yeah, I, I mean, it's a time old tradition for politicians to make promises.

They're never going to cash in on it or make good on, but I but I feel like there is sort of this awakening that's happening among minority communities, which is why we're seeing stronger, stronger support from Latinos and the black community for candidates like Donald Trump or for just more conservative candidates. And I feel like these little gimmicks and tactics aren't, aren't really as potent as maybe they used to be.

I don't think it it really moves the needle that much. I think those people were probably already voting for Kamala Harris. I just think there will be some some remorse when they go, yeah, wait, didn't she tell me I at this? She made it seem like I was automatically going to get this loan. Yeah. Right. Right. That's true.

Yeah. And then they won't. And then she'll have a you know, she's just fighting for survival right now. Oh absolutely. It's 854 back after this will wrap up the hour. But we got another hour coming right here on Newstalk 179. All right. It's 857 on Newstalk 1079 Neal Larson along with Julie Mason event coming up. Julie. Yeah.

Quick reminder this Saturday from 11 to noon, speaker Mike Moyle will be holding a fundraiser rally to reelect Representatives Wendy Horman and Barbie Hart. So he'll be speaking. I would imagine he's going to take some questions. He'll be talking about those two candidates specifically, but also the upcoming election. It's a peak performance. That's three, four, five, six East 17th Street in Idaho Falls again this Saturday, 11 to noon.

Okay. All right. Sounds like, a great event. So, yeah, I'm okay. We've got our two coming up and a little boozy, a little boozy here. We all need a little boozy today. I think we need a lot of boozy to get here this next 12 days. Thank you. Right. Save of the eight.

And good morning. It is 907 on Newstalk 179. It's a Thursday. 208542 179 12 days to Election day. More importantly, 13 days until after Election Day and when we can collectively go, I hope we collectively do that. I hope that that's how the nation is reacting. Yeah. You know, there I should we have this little bit of a serious conversation?

Sure. Like we, I, I think there is a concern that no matter how the presidential election turns out, there will be civil unrest, that if Trump wins, we know what the left's going to do. They burn down their own cities and communities when they don't get their way. So that's probably absolutely going to happen if Trump wins, if Kamala wins and it's perceived that the votes are not counted accurately, I think we actually will see civil unrest from the from the right.

And and if, if I, I kind of feel like we we know that 2020 there are all sorts of remnant anxieties over 2020. I'm twitchy. I'm twitchy too, like I and I think that was the one Mulligan that the right gave to the Democrats. I don't think they'll do it again. I don't think that they will just roll over and take it up their hands and say, okay, okay, there's nothing we can do about this.

I and that's what I fear. That's what I fear is that if if it's not a clear cut, obvious win by Kamala Harris over Donald Trump, that the right is not going to give the left a mulligan again. And and we might be headed for really turbulent waters. Yes we might. Agreed. Okay. We I don't know what to tell people, Julie.

They're asking where can they get a no on prop one sign? Yeah. This is, this is just one of probably half a dozen texts this morning asking for a no on prop one sign. Yeah. Hey, here's the deal. They are. They're not available. Which, actually, they're a good sign. There is a silver lining with that is that so many people want to speak out.

So what you now need to do if you don't have one, go to Walmart and buy a window crayon. Yeah. And write it on your back window of your car. Yeah. Agreed. Yeah. Do do that. You can find other ways to do it. I, I there's part of me too I, I look, I think putting a sign in your yard is a good thing.

I'm not I'm not going to discourage that at all. I think the most potent thing you can do, though, is to talk to people in your workplace, in your neighborhood, in your in the circles where you associate with people and not even convincing them if you need to convince them, but get them out to vote. That's that's the important thing, the voter turnout.

If you can find people that are inclined to vote against this, make sure they get to the polls on on Election Day. That I think could do way more than a sign in your yard that people are just going to drive by and see, oh, vote no. I think you can actually make a substantive, you can move the needle if you will get people to vote on on Election Day.

I had a client yesterday. Really good friend of Neal's, good friend of mine. She and I were having this exact conversation, and she is politically minded. Yeah. And she. When I said I. We need to stop trying to win over the woman vote. We need to stop trying to change people's minds. The difference in this election is getting the people out who haven't voted in the last decade.

And she said, you are so right. Yeah. Because it's going to be decided by those people. It that's and it's, it's 1 to 2% we're looking at here. We're not expecting to move this, this amount of people in a it doesn't need to be a tidal wave is what I'm saying. Yeah just a few get those people out who did not vote in the last decade.

Get them out and have them vote. Yeah, that's the difference you will make in Idaho. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and it really is. This is why Julie, when I, I try to see into the crystal ball and determine what's going to happen on Election Day, the fact that Donald Trump is on the ballot is a very, very good arrow in our quiver with this, because most of those people are probably going to vote no on on prop one.

Yes. And so I think that's good. I do think and you and I had this conversation off air earlier this morning, I know we see all of this out of state dark money coming in. The proponents. Their war chest is somewhere around 3 million. Almost two has come in from out of state Colorado, California. That actually might be a good sign.

They really are worried there. There was some polling. Somebody did some polling, what, three weeks ago or so. And the the vote knows were actually ahead by a few points. Now, I don't say that. I don't want anybody to get complacent. We need we need people to get out and to vote on on this issue. But, I think that might be an in an indication they're worried that Trump's going to be on the ballot.

That's going to harm them. And that may be the truth. Getting out about this, this sham that they're engaged in. And and they need to really no pun intended, but prop it up with some out of state money. Right. So okay. 285421079. Let's go to the phones. Hi, caller. How are you? Good. How are you today? Just two real quick questions.

Yeah. Just attack and be at the high school. Do you feel that eventually, if these type of crimes or assaults continue, you would do anything to make the juveniles name public and have the parents also face charges? No. I, I don't think so. No, not at this. At the only time we actually print juveniles names publicly. And I don't know if your radio's on or not, but you probably want to turn it down if you're on is when they kill somebody.

Like if it if they're going to be charged for adult charges, if they're going to be there's got to be a level of meeting up to the violence. Yeah. And this doesn't meet up to that level. No. Yeah. Okay. And then just the second question right. In candidates, how are they handled under this prop one? I mean, what if you have an election you have four people running in the riot in Canada, gets 3 or 4 times the number of votes, the other candidates.

And even if they combine the other candidates votes, they don't come anywhere near what the rioting got. Three words. I don't know. Like I don't think they know. I don't think they know either. I don't think they know. Okay. Very good. Well, you two have a fantastic day. All right. Thank you. 28542107 17. Julie, someone said visionary signs in Blackfoot will print signs off for $5 each.

So, yeah, I think you would probably be doing your own kind of a sign there. Like just a big sign that says vote no on prop one. Yeah, because you're paying for it and which you can print and put in your own yard if you want to. Like, you don't have to pass any kind of rules with that.

Yeah. Like they it's the same as the window crayon in your, in your back window of your car. You can write whatever you want to on your back window of your car. Yeah. There's no rules. So we got this text. I have the ability to order a ton of signs and have them here in two days. I can't afford to just give them away, but I would be willing to make them.

I just don't want it to sound like I'm doing it to make money on people. If you guys think it would be beneficial, I'd take orders and give them to anyone that wants them at cost. If you think that doesn't sound like I'm trying to market this right, I. But sure, if you're willing to do that, send us the number you'd like them to call.

We do have a number for you. I don't want to give that one out. I want you to send us the number you'd like us to put out, and maybe a first name. If you're willing to do that, let's let's make this happen rather than organize an event in a giveaway, because logistically, that just takes more time. But if we want to do this very efficiently, absolutely send us the name.

Your just your first name or name you want to be known by, and the the phone number to give out. But I will warn you, you will get tons of calls. Be prepared to have this take over your life for a minute. Yeah, it might be a hectic day or two because there is a massive amount of of pressure for this.

I would also ask if people are going to do this. You may want to text rather than call because then they can. You know what I'm saying? Yes, because it'll be easier to respond to it that yes. And you'll have a record. So we'll await this person if they want to send their text or their their phone number and their first name.

Yeah, I we'll we'll make the connection here. But I just want you to know, you will get a lot of, a lot of text. So, the person who sent in the text about visionary science, they clarified that they actually have the template for the vote no on prop one already. Okay, so just so you wouldn't have to create anything, they have something.

Do we know the turnaround on it? I don't think it said. Or did it say five days? Let me let Colton real quick. No, it said $5 for each. I don't know what the turnaround is. Hopefully it's quick. Okay, so someone said Alaska rules say that right? Ends cannot be elected. And prop one follows Alaska rules.

So maybe there is no right in. Yeah. Okay. Let's go back to the phones. Hi, caller. You're, you're on the program. Good morning. Well, good morning. Just a couple of, quick comments regarding prop one. I love the, sports team analogy that the earlier caller had. The other thing is, last night I was watching the news on TV, and they were talking to both a Republican representative and a Democrat representative regarding getting the vote out.

And in the background behind the Democrat representative were stacks of vote yes on one side. And quite honestly, that tells me all I need to know about whether he ought to vote yes or no on it. Yeah. Yeah. How so elaborate on that. Like what, what made you decide that made you decide not to vote yes on it.

Oh I was dead set against prop one earlier on seeing the fiasco that Alaska has had to deal with. But the fact that, the, the left leaning Democrat party is the one who is pushing hard to get it passed. You know, suggests to me that it's to their benefit, if prop one passes and the the the left is, has just gotten so far left, you wouldn't even recognize the party from 20 years ago.

I mean, JFK wouldn't be allowed in the party today even. Yeah, that's a that's a good point. That's a good point. Thank you for the call. 208542123I just had an idea. Julie. Okay, this is one of those. You may die on me back on this. What? What if I. I mean, we are we're like a week and a half away, but we did get a text from someone saying they know a bunch of people that are trading in their vote yes signs for vote no.

Say yes because they're learning more about it. What if we hold an event? We can get our hands on a few more signs and invite people to come trade like we will. We will accept their vote. Yes. Who owns the vote? Yes signs the person who has them, right? Oh yeah. Like if you've got it in your yard, it belongs to you.

It belongs to you. It doesn't belong to the campaign, right? Am I right about that? Yes, I would think so. Okay, so they are at liberty to give those signs to you and me. Is that right? I would think we would have to look up campaign life just to make sure. But I think they do because if it's in your yard then you own it.

Yeah. So we had a snag your sign event last Friday. We could have a swap. Your sign event. Yeah. We could for people show up. Well I want to know because we have a massive audience. If you are one of those people who, who has a vote. Yes. Right now I the thing I don't want to have happen and I want to make this explicitly clear, do not go steal a sign so you can come swap it.

No, do not do that. We we absolutely. Yes it is. We discourage that. Do not do it. And I want to make that abundantly clear. But if you already have the vote yes sign, and maybe it's been in your yard and you've had a change of heart and you're ready to say no, I don't want this because I've learned more about it.

Would you swap your sign? And if you're in that situation, text us, just say yes, I would swap and now I want to know how many swap there are out there. And if we have a lot of swaps then, I would I think if we could, if we could get Ahold of a few signs. I love the optics of a swap.

Your sign of it. I think that would be fun. Okay. All right. Let's see what kind of response we get. Yeah, there may be people who don't want to admit that they were a vote yes to. That might happen as well. So, 2085421078I should say we need to read this one. Okay. And you and Julie, we we moved here from Maine three years ago, and we left the ranked choice voting behind, only to find out that possibly folks will vote it in here.

May it not be so. It turned out to be the most confusing, time consuming, and ridiculous way to vote. There were many people that did not want to take the time to ranked choice their vote, so they ended up just doing the first round and then calling it quits, which canceled out their vote. Say no to prop one.

Thank you. Okay. First hand experiencer. Yep. I've ranked choice voting, so I'm not. We're not getting a bunch of swampers texting in. We're not getting a bunch, but we do have the name and the number of the person who will print the sign for you. Okay. All right, let's do it. His name is Adam. And the phone number that you can call is 20888.

Test. Yeah. The number that you can text is (208) 881-1603. I'll say it again 8811603. He says the cost would be $8. That includes the metal frame to put it into your grass. Okay, okay. Adam, tell us how this turns out. Yeah, keep us in the loop here is with. We'd love to, to do that. Again, that's Adam and his number two text is 208881 1603 881 1603.

And Adam can hook you up with a sign and a metal stand. Eight bucks. So. All right, let's go to the phones. 285421279. Hi, caller. How are you? Good morning, Neal and Julie. Hi. Question and reason for my question. Okay. Who is in charge of how the wording is put on the ballot for these propositions? Well, the people putting forward the proposition, in this case it's Reclaim Idaho, in collaboration with Idahoans for open primaries.

Well, well, hold on one second. I there's a caveat here. They put forward the proposition. It garnered enough signatures to make it onto the ballot. At that point in time, I believe it was the attorney general that created both the short and the long ballot titles, which is a summary of what the proposition would accomplish. So, he had to condense all of that down into a couple of presentable paragraphs.

Well, as you know, that can be kind of confusing to a lot of people. Like Senator Risch, was it that said just the fact that, yes, people tend to gravitate to that. I also wonder if guys mentioned the price tag on this, in my circle of family and friends associates, when I try to explain this, which I don't do a great job of explaining.

But when I mentioned the price tag, there immediately going to go, nope. So I'm wondering how we get that price tag. And since it's the taxpayers dollars on the ballot that, well, we know it's, range 25 to 40 million and, to, to replace old equipment. And do you know, there's an interesting hypocrisy with the price tag, too, that it's going to cost 25 to $40 million to implement their way of doing things.

But one of the reasons they say we should get rid of the current way is because taxpayer dollars are used in the primary election, and that's not fair. But it's fair to use taxpayer dollars to implement their new system, right? Yeah, that's a good point. That's that's true. Yeah. Yeah. So if that price tag was mentioned on the ballot, wouldn't that be fair?

Since taxpayers are paying for it, we should know what we're paying for. Yeah. Yeah that's that's a good point. It's. Yeah yeah yeah. No thank you for the call. I think though the deadline, the deadlines may not have matched here though. Like they needed to get that the ballot done, completed and finalized before the Secretary of state concluded his cost analysis could be to,

Oh, by the way, Idaho for open primaries sent out another mailer. Zero mention of ranked choice voting occurs similar to the other one, but this one's actually better designed. It's kind of a wanted poster. Yeah, it well catches your eye a lot. Yeah, I would give it to them for marketing. I always take this stance, look at campaigns on how they market themselves or how they do their public relations, because I think there's a lot to be learned from it.

Yeah, it's a pretty good poster or a pretty good flier. Yeah. It is. Can I just ask a largely rhetorical question? How bad must the idea be if you can't even mention it on your flier? Oh, I it's that's all you need to know. If they won't talk about it, there's a reason they're not talking about it.

Yeah, yeah. And you know what Bruce Nukem keep them coming because you are giving the legislature all the justification they need to repeal this piece of garbage deceit. Yeah, yeah. For sure. All right, next caller, how are you today? Caller good morning. Hey, I happened to catch on YouTube last night. The debate between Frank Vandersloot and the, tonight.

What was his first name? Hiram. Hiram Erickson. And I thought Frank did very well. Hiram seemed, you know, all cool and calm and everything. And and so as far as the debate goes that way, he seemed, you know, to be what pretty level about the thing. But Frank at least said, hey, look, I am excited about this because it it matters a lot.

So but anyway, did you happen to see that debate? I did, yeah. Yeah, I caught it. It's good. Yeah. Good. Because he, he at least brought up that thing of how the desert turns out to be. What was the worst thing on there? The Brussels sprouts, winning. You know, just based on how it works.

And, and I think something that should be hammered on maybe a little bit more in those, in those debates, in the talk about it, is that, you're required to vote for the others are your vote is thrown out. Your your vote is absolutely no good if all you do is vote for the apple pie or the brownies, it's out.

Yeah. And and so you're required to vote for people that you don't even want to have a vote involved with. Yeah. You have to vote for it or your vote is thrown out, which is it's really bad. But, the reason I called, I voted already and I hadn't heard hardly any talk, and I still have it, but I don't get to listen every day.

I heard no talk about that first initiative, about to illegals voting. I, I voted yes on it because, I did a little research and it looked like that's what I wanted to vote for. How come there's not much talk about this initiative? I think prop one's taken up all the oxygen. I'll be honest with you. H.J. R5, I think, is important.

We were a little worried because the position is vote yes on this one, but vote no on that one. And I think for a lot of voters, they're going to kind of get confused. And so I do hope I do hope the constitutional amendment does pass. And I'm going to vote yes on it. And we've been advocating for people to vote yes on it.

But I, I think that okay. Know it doesn't make sense. Yes. Too much okay. Well yeah, I don't want to say yes to the point that it's yes on both of them. And then boy it's the wrong vote. Yeah. For one. Yeah. And and plus another thing it looked like, they're making it, illegal for, non-citizens to vote, which that would be like making it illegal to murder for non-citizens also.

So it's already not legal. So it was just, you know, well of something that they can't do anyway, here, here's the thing, though, and, and this it this doesn't make sense to you or me, but in the legal realm, it does matter there. It's not explicit stated that illegals cannot vote in the Constitution, in the Constitution or in Idaho.

Yeah. In that whole Constitution. Yeah. And so it just says, who's legal to vote. Illegals are not included in that. And so this is just that that it's a proactive step to show that issue up. So confirmation. Yep. Get our language okay okay. Thanks, guys. Thank you for the call. 208542107 we got a break. We're, we're past time here.

We'll come back. We got more calls flooding in. We've got texts coming in saying that you're going to talk about the Rigby beating. We are trying to get to it all. There's just a lot. We'll be back. Okay. Hello, Facebook. How are you today? Somebody says the fiscal impact statement is on the ballot. If voters take the time to read the whole proposition, it does talk about the cost.

Okay. I wouldn't be surprised by that. Okay. I do think the caller would probably say, well, that ought to be in the short or the long ballot title. Yeah. That. Yeah. Which is, which is true. Your point is so good though. Like taxpayer dollars shouldn't fund primaries, but taxpayer dollars should fund all new equipment for our for the new idea.

Yeah, that might get repealed for four days or four years later. Yeah. Yeah. I can't believe how nuts our text line is. It's crazy, isn't it? Crazy? I also, something funny happened about an hour ago. Somebody texted ranked choice voting our CV to get your documentary. Yeah. And when I tried to send it back they have they have a block on us.

Like I got the red notice saying you are blocked from sending anything to this number because they've actually gone in and opted to not have anything. Okay, so we must have made them mad at some point, may I maybe? So that's funny because we don't randomly send people stuff. It's very, very, very rare. So I don't know what made them go and block it.

And then oh, but I want Neal's documentary. Yeah. That's funny.

What are you laughing at? You and your belonging to the Lollipop Guild in line. I know, I know, we're back. 208542107 Julie, we are on the cusp of hitting 4000 views on the document. Love it. Great job. All right, watch it. Share. Share it. Talk about it if you need it. Text received (208) 542-1079. Yeah I'm, Okay.

Let's go to the phones. Caller welcome to the show. How are you today? Pretty good. How are you doing? Doing well, doing all right. Good, good, good. Hey, those are the fliers that you're getting my wife started doing is, she writes some big black marker, refused, and and sends it back in the mail. So I guess they have to pay for it twice.

Can you do that now? She's done it twice now, so we got that wanted one yesterday. She wrote. Refused our GSM, threw it in the mailbox. Everybody I knew that. Do that, do that, do that, do that. You're real life work twice because I think they have to. I think they charge them for free, return mail. Don't think oh, if they you know what?

If we can make them spend their money having to take it back? Absolutely. Let's do that. Everyone right refused and put it back in your mailbox I love that. Yeah, we may hear from the post office. They may not like that, but. I'll just make them pay for it twice. We got to waste their money somehow, and that's a good way to do it.

Yeah. So. Okay. Is that all? That's all. Thanks. Have a great day. Okay, I see, I like the tour business I like. I'll take it. I didn't know you could. I didn't do that. Can you say refused and then attach like half a pound of pennies to it. So it has to have more weight go through. Yeah. Like or wrap it around a brick and tape it and say refused.

So then they have to pay for the wait. No. Can we do that okay. Does that that's going to give me right to dial you back to. Okay. Don't do it just right. Refuse. It's just me being.

Creative. Innovative. They're trying to get Neal's documentary. Okay, if you have a block on your phone and people set this up, I can't send you back. Thinks you, this person who just texted this in their exact verbiage is. I'm trying to get Neal's documentary. I might be texting the wrong verbiage. I can see that. I've sent it to you.

It's a block in your texting service or on your phone. You are not getting it from us because you've put up some sort of boundary or barrier. Yeah, and you know what? If you're listening, just go to YouTube and search Neal Larson or search, Unholy Alliance Idaho. And and it will come up and Neal Larson is spelled Neal.

Yeah, LA. So when we had somebody send us a text yesterday spelling your name, Neal. Yeah. And saying I can't find it. Well that's because that's. Yeah. You got to spell Neal. Correct. Which I think my, my spelling is a little less common then Neal. So, arts can be done. There is no charge to the sender. It's just trashed.

If it's standard mail. Okay, it won't do anything. Darn it, darn it. I wanted to drink. I wanted to drain their bank account.

So. Okay. You don't. Don't waste your time. Just throw it in the trash, because that's what'll happen. All right, let's go to the phones. (208) 542-1279. Hi, caller. How are you? Hi. Can we go back and talk to about the bear a little bit? Oh, yes. Sure. You bet. So I was I went to do my written test for the motorcycle endorsement yesterday.

Yeah. And I was a little surprised because they they're talking about obstacles and stuff that you need to avoid in the on the road when you're riding your cycle. It's quite a bit different for, for motorcycles. But anyways, it said when it comes to the animals, small animals. So I will make that note that you should just go ahead and hit them.

Basically. Oh really? And swerve on this on a motorcycle. Yeah. Because it was more dangerous, I guess. Yeah. I guess the thing was that it's this. Yeah. You're going to put yourself more dangerous. So they they kind of emit, you know, human life is more important than animals life. Yeah. I mean, we know and I don't think anyone really wants to, that I want to be friends with must hurt animals.

But they admit that there's some people out there that they push animal life above human life. And, yeah, I think just in general. Okay. Everyone knows that, you know? So anyway, I thought it was interesting. Yeah, well, that is interesting, and I appreciate that. I think there are people truly grieving the loss of this bear. And I my heart goes out to them if if the grief is real.

And I'm not saying it's not real, I know it is real for some. I think there are some who are virtue signaling. And yes, yes, artificially grieving. And I don't have as much respect for that. But if you're truly grieving the bear, we we feel free today. So you get it. Let's go to the next caller. Welcome to the show caller.

How are you, bill? Julie, this is Jim Mountain, alone in third World. How are you? We're doing all right, Jim. Good to hear from you. Hey, the key look like what Julie said. Go get a crayon for your window. I did shoe polish, and I've got a sport utility out of the back window and the two side back windows.

I've got, you know, stuff. No on proposition one. And I've got more comments on that and thumbs up driving around. Good. And that's been pretty good. Now if you want to get back at people, companies and stuff when they send a, return mail envelope, I can't believe you kids don't do this. Check all your return mail you want to get rid of in there, fill it up and stick it back in the post office box.

And then they have to pay for the return postage on that one. So that's one way to get it. You know. So get even with people. So Jim, I again I love your idea, but we heard from someone that said return to sender can be done. There's no charge to the sender if it's standard mail, it's just trashed.

So that. Yeah. So I'm talking about when the company. Oh gets a blank envelope in their system. Oh, yeah. Sure. Gotcha. All your junk mail like that. And then just put the rest of the junk mail in that and send it. I've been doing that since high school for my dad. It's a long standing tradition. That's awesome. I love it if it is all right.

Hey. Thanks. You guys love you. We'll see. You all right. Love you back, boy. The ad monster hit there because I was like, you were moving. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's okay. All right. Let's see. Or hearing a lot about last night's vote counting event, I think the big takeaway from the vote counting event between Hiram Erickson and Nick Cantos last night was that it showed and highlighted how complicated it is.

Yeah, it's not easy. It's not as easy as counting to four. Just like they say it is right to actually count this. And when we have interviewed, a secretary McGrane is this was yesterday our fourth time? I think so, yes, that's what he has said. He said our office will make it work, but it will not be easy.

And this will be difficult to implement. Yeah, it's going to be complicated. You know, I've heard this. The governor even told us this, that the legislature has every right to tweak this, even if the proposition passes, it does not have to become law as is. And so if the if the legislature decided, okay, the voters have spoken, then, we'll, we'll put this in place.

They could make tweaks like going to the board, a method of counting as opposed to what Alaska does. And, and so, I mean, I guess there is, it's I think they should just repeal it. I don't want to. I don't want to make it. This thing deserves to be repealed if it passes these these organizers have been so dishonest about it.

Right. I have a question, though. I have a question. Their argument is all the voters should be honored. So if this passes 50.1% in favor or you're going and 49.9% don't want it. Yeah. Don't we need to honor those 49 point or 9%? Yeah. Am I wrong? No. It just shows how hollow the argument is. Yeah. When you start talking about the money, the arguments hollow.

When you start talking about private representation, and they think that that somehow they're blocked from that. No. You can join if you want to. That argument. Hello. What you're talking about, they're representing every voter. No. If this passes and it only passes by 51%, there's 49% that haven't been recognized. It's a very deceitful and hollow argument across the board.

Yeah. It is, it is. They they want all the perks of the thing they're trying to get rid of. And they'll, they'll demand them. But yeah, they're just hypocrite hypocrisy. Let's go to the phones. 285421279. Hi, caller. How are you? Hi, caller go ahead. So was it Jim that called in about putting the junk mail in to the return to sender envelope?

Yeah, not to one of them. But what you want to do is put your used batteries in there because it's a lot heavier and it costs a lot more. I love you people. You people. You are speaking Neal's language. You are fantastic people. I use that my one phone call a week for that too. Okay. So that's you know what I don't know.

He's calling you and I grant you three more calls if you want him. Have a good day, guys. All right. Thank you. Thank you for that. You're going to come at him with his language. You like that you're going to get like a universal pass on phone cost to do it. Like it's like, yeah. It's like a big packet.

Like you can just rip out a coupon. I get another phone call. You know what's going to happen, though? We're going to have callers calling in now. One upping her and to get their universal pat. Yes. Okay. Quick break. We'll come back. (208) 542-1079 I'm here. I'm just waiting I'm just waiting. We'll get a text. We'll get a phone call.

You guys don't realize what that will do to the carbon footprint of that. Sure. Jim did text and he said, This is Jim. I love the battery idea. So he was all in with her. All right, so save your used batteries, send them back. This is an interesting thing, and I don't know if we want to read this on air, but we can talk about this on Facebook Live.

This person says, I live in Rigby. My teenage boys knew the girl who was beat up. They're involved in the same group of kids that had the shooting incident. Was that three years ago? Yeah. And then the text says there are some problems there. I think what they're referencing is, is there's some problems in these group dynamics that are continuing that haven't been addressed.

And then they went on and said, my biggest complaint is that no one intervened. They cared more about videoing so they could get more traction online with a viral video. I cried watching the video because everyone just watched her get beat up. Yeah, that was my reaction. That was a very hard thing to watch as people just walked by and didn't do anything.

Yeah, because me as a mother, I'm like, I don't even I don't know the dynamics here and why they're not happy with each other and why this one girl felt like she could assault the other girl, but I can't imagine just standing by. Yeah, I can't either. I can't either. I'm going to answer the person about the Stand up for Idaho event.

Yeah. You know, I don't want to go after any kid who was standing around. I don't either. It's this is a cultural problem that is running among our our young people. I and their kids. Yeah. So there I have a much higher expectation of adults than I do with kids. Yeah. And so that has to be understood in this case too.

I, I think the good middle ground is, is I can't believe people weren't just saying yelling stop, stop. Yeah. Getting close to the action and and telling the girl, hey, okay, enough, enough, enough. Yeah. Because for me, that's still really neutral. Yeah, but you're trying to intervene. And that's crazy to me that that's not happening in the video.

Yeah. Yeah, I, I would agree with that. Speaking of junk, can we go to junk mail for a minute? I remember and I can't remember what company it was but they send me, they sent, like this little package of children's books. This is probably 25 years ago. And we just had little kids and they're like, if you keep these books, you are agreeing to pay for them.

Oh, yeah. Yeah. I didn't ask for them. They just showed up in the mail one day and I'm like, now come get them if you want them. Like you, I there's no burden on me to send these back to you. When you initiated the whole thing, I kept the books. I didn't pay for them. I took crap.

I had something like this happened in my neighborhood the other day. I was out walking. This was probably two weeks ago and taped to people's mailboxes. Was this yellow piece of paper. I don't exactly remember how the wording went, but basically they were implying that they had been out examining houses, and they had recognized in this neighborhood that the numbers on the street, like on the curb, were not highly visible anymore, and that they would be back in the area in a few days, and they would be painting the numbers, and the charge would be that I didn't.

And I'm like, no, this is a private company, but they're implying that, oh, my number is not recognizable on my curb, that I'm going to have to cover this cost, and I need to pay this company. I'm sure it worked on people a lot better, especially an older population. I'm sure it worked. See that out to be illegal?

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We talked a little bit about it on air, earlier this morning. There's just a lot of elements of that that make me sad. Obviously this girl's getting crap beat out of her and just just trying to defend herself. She's not fighting back in. We should tell people in the video she doesn't throw a single punch. No. Not one, no, not one.

And there was a lot of standing around. But I don't want to go after any one student because clearly there is a cultural issue going on, and I don't know how much of it is this depersonalization where kids just see this kind of stuff happen all the time on their phones. And so it's just another thing that's going on.

I don't know how much of it is that schools have inadvertently, perhaps created a culture where don't get involved, because if you're involved in any kind of a physical altercation, you get discipline, too. And so is there a disincentive for kids to to jump in and break this up? I think that absolutely has got to be part of the of the of the discussion.

I agree with you. I referenced earlier today how tragic multiple parts of this are. So it's tragic to me that this is the culture. It's tragic to me that people knew this fight was going to happen and they didn't stop it because the filming begins before the fight begins. Yeah. The video that was shared widely on social media, the person is filming knowing the fights about to happen.

Yeah, that's that's tragic. What kind of broken down? Whatever's going on there. It's tragic to me that no one's screaming out saying, stop, stop, stop. Yeah. That's tragic. It's it's tragic to me that there's a divide that is so deep among whatever this group of kids is that they feel like the the one aspect that they need to do is to beat somebody up.

I mentioned to you earlier we were just talking off air. Anger is a very natural human emotion. Everyone experiences it. Everyone. What is weird here is that if you're angry, you go to this place to attack somebody who isn't fighting you back. Yeah, that's the part that we need to take. We need to look at and go, what is going on?

Yeah, that's the way you express your anger. Yeah, yeah. Why are we in this place right now? Because, like, I look at all these kids, I. I even see the girl who is beating the crap out of the other girl. You get so mad and you get so angry. But I'm a person who believes in redemption. I would I would not ever report her name.

But she needs to face legal consequences. Criminal consequences? She needs to be expelled from school and and for her own good to get her back on track. So she doesn't think it's okay to to do this to another human being. She didn't even have words with this person before she hit her. Yeah, she came up to her from behind.

Yeah. There's multiple levels of problems with that. Yeah, yeah. For sure. Okay. Caller really quick. We have just about a minute or so. Hello? Can you hear me? Yeah, yeah. You're on. Go ahead. Hi. Okay, so I've lived in Rigby since I was 11 years old. This isn't the first incident. We had another incident last year where a young girl was beat up for almost five minutes inside and outside the school.

Same type of scenario everybody was filming. Finally, a girl stepped in. I've told my children, do not let that happen. People need to step up and step in and not just film this. It's unbelievable. And I also firmly believe that everyone in the Jefferson County Rigby area needs to call the prosecutor. And this girl enough is enough. Like I'm thinking about transfer my kids out of the school.

And don't get me wrong, there's a lot of good people in Rigby, but this is getting out of hand. I mean, we had two incidents with guns, in the last few years too, and it's just, yeah, people need held accountable and they need to do something more with the either more teachers vigilant and the halls. But the thing that really upset me and I told my children, you got to step in, you got to step in and stop this bullying.

And the other thing is that young lady was getting pummeled, had the right to defend herself. And I praised her for just going into the fetal position and covering her face. Yeah, but people have the right to defend themselves. And if my child's getting beat up like that, I told them, yeah, yeah, you might get a spell, but yeah, we have the right to defend ourselves in this.

Yeah. And I agree it is sickening to watch it and enough is enough. But anyway thank you guys for reporting it because that's how people change behavior is they yeah they hear about it and then they talk to their children, everybody to talk to their children about for sure allowing this to happen. Thank you guys for reporting. Thank you.

Thank you for the call. We got a break. We'll come back. We'll wrap it up after this. Okay. I've got the details for that Bengal theater showing of Trump vindicating Trump that we got that call on. You're going to you're gonna share those. Okay. Yep. And to make a little extra time here. But let's see the sues, issue college Republicans.

President's admission is two bucks for faculty, staff and the public students. It's for. And it's at the university's Bengal Theater. I did not write down Adam's number. I get, I get, I'll go back. I remember it was 1603, really quick, if you all want to catch Dinesh D'Souza s latest documentary, Vindicating Trump, it's being shown at the Bengal Theater, and I was on student union building on Monday evening at 7 p.m..

Two bucks to get in if you're the public, if you're a a student, it's only a while. It's free. So again, that's vindicating Trump Monday night, 7 p.m. at the Bengal Theater at I issue at the Pine Student Union building and the it's put on by the ASU college Republicans. We we support that. All right everyone have a great Thursday juleanna back tomorrow.